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Old 27-02-23, 11:32 PM
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Off topic, but was hoping some one could shed some light on the Royal Navy service record.

Why is HMS Bulldog in brackets and ditto through out other ships? As is HMS Wishart? Cannot identify the ship next to Wishart.

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Old 28-02-23, 02:08 AM
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Maybe HMS Colossus?
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Old 28-02-23, 03:46 AM
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I agree with John, HMS Colossus looks pretty close. How about HMS Gloucester, as another possibility?

HMS Wishart seems to have rejoined the Mediterranean Fleet, in June of 1938, after being Guardship at Greenwich, in 1937, for the opening of the National Maritime Museum by King George VI.

I probably have this completely wrong, but are those listed in the left column naval bases or shore establishments of one sort or another? If so, it should be possible to find out which of those in the Mediterranean, HMS Wishart was (attached?) to.

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Old 28-02-23, 08:25 AM
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I probably have this completely wrong, but are those listed in the left column naval bases or shore establishments of one sort or another? If so, it should be possible to find out which of those in the Mediterranean, HMS Wishart was (attached?) to.

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She spent most of her wartime career based at Gibraltar, engaged in convoy defence, but also served in various naval and military operations in the Mediterranean Sea.

But ......

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From 1900 to 1946 the whole of the Navy's property at Gibraltar (buildings, dockyards etc) was treated as one 'shore establishment' known as HMS Cormorant.
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Old 28-02-23, 10:58 AM
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The ships listed on the left with no ships listed in brackets were ships/bases the rating served in.
The ships in brackets are tenders to the ships/bases on the left. The tenders were the ships which the rating served in. The ships listed on the left before the tenders are his accounting bases on which he was borne for pay etc.

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Old 28-02-23, 12:12 PM
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Based on the dates :

July 1938 - St.Angelo - HMS St.Angelo (Fort St.Angelo) Malta.
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The fort was garrisoned by the British from 1800 to 1979, at times being classified as a stone frigate known as HMS Egmont or later HMS St Angelo.
September 1938 - HMS Wishart - Gibraltar - Escort for HMS Glorious
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When the United Kingdom entered World War II in September 1939, Wishart was stationed at Gibraltar,
Photo titled : HMS Glorious is accompanied by HMS Wishart, one of its escort destroyers, in 1939.

March 1939 - HMS Bulldog - Gibraltar - 'Plane Guard' for HMS Glorious.
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Bulldog was briefly assigned to the Gibraltar Local Flotilla in January 1939, until she became plane guard for the aircraft carrier Glorious in the Mediterranean in March.
February 1940 - Ark Royal - Plane Guard duty
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She sailed to Malta with Glorious in January 1940 to refit, returning to plane guard duty for Ark Royal during March.
August 1941 - Back at St.Angelo Malta - ? Discharge ?


Just a guess , I could be wrong.

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Old 28-02-23, 01:19 PM
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These record cards were introduced on January 1st 1929 onwards but for some reason they stopped the entries around 1941.
There should be a discharge date at the bottom of the page.

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Old 28-02-23, 07:57 PM
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Thank you all for your time and feedback.

Besides badges to Maltese regiments, I have a modest collection of medals to Maltese personnel, being army or navy. Prior to 1929, naval service records were quite straight forward, however coming 1930's the Admiralty just made it a tad more complicated to interpret.

So just to compress what has been stated: he would have served on the ship in (brackets) which would have in turn served the ship on the left hand side?!

Yes most Royal Navy service records which I have researched stopped entries in 1941 and some just earlier. Entries were then entered after 1945! Reason I would not know!! Discharge dates have been seen at the front of the record but also at the back.

Re HMS Colossus, that was my initial thought, but Colossus was scrapped in 1928 according to Wikipedia, while here it's 1938??? Need to have a look at the Med Fleet in 1938.

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Try H.M.S. Glorious (see post 6)
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Try H.M.S. Glorious (see post 6)
Info I've found appears to back this up:

September 1938 - HMS Wishart - Gibraltar - Escort for HMS Glorious.

March 1939 - HMS Bulldog - Gibraltar - 'Plane Guard' for HMS Glorious.


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HMS GLORIOUS
September 1939 :
September 3rd - Serving with Mediterranean Fleet at Alexandria and exercising in the eastern Mediterranean.

October - Deployed in Indian Ocean with HM Battleship MALAYA and HM Destroyer BULLDOG in Hunting Force.

January 1940 - Deployed with Mediterranean Fleet and prepared for refit.

17th - Taken in hand for refit by HM Dockyard, Malta.
1938-1940 MOVEMENTS of HMS GLORIOUS



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Thank you all for your time and feedback.

Besides badges to Maltese regiments, I have a modest collection of medals to Maltese personnel, being army or navy. Prior to 1929, naval service records were quite straight forward, however coming 1930's the Admiralty just made it a tad more complicated to interpret.

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So just to compress what has been stated: he would have served on the ship in (brackets) which would have in turn served the ship on the left hand side?!
Yes most Royal Navy service records which I have researched stopped entries in 1941 and some just earlier. Entries were then entered after 1945! Reason I would not know!! Discharge dates have been seen at the front of the record but also at the back.

Re HMS Colossus, that was my initial thought, but Colossus was scrapped in 1928 according to Wikipedia, while here it's 1938??? Need to have a look at the Med Fleet in 1938.

Thank you all again.
Vincent
Basically yes but it was mostly for accounting purposes as the larger ships & shore bases [which were also ships for the purposes of naval discipline] had the staff to deal with the smaller tenders.

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Off topic, but was hoping some one could shed some light on the Royal Navy service record.
Does this service record relate to Anthony Buhagiar ?

The dates and details appear to match a 2016 newspaper article from the "Times of Malta".

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In January 1936 he boarded the destroyer HMS Searcher in the company of the aircraft carrier HMS Glorious patrolling near the Middle East, until he transferred to the destroyer HMS Wishart in June 1938. On March 14, 1939, Buhagiar joined the destroyer HMS Bulldog. The ship sailed from Portsmouth to Gibraltar and then to Malta to load fresh provisions and more ammunition, as usual in the company HMS Glorious.
Anthony Buhagiar – a lifetime’s service with the Royal Navy



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Mentioned in Navy News magazine 2003.

It looks like his 'first' service record takes him up to the time he trained/joined the subs.

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In September 1941, Buhagiar was in Britain, stationed at HMS Dolphin to follow a course in submarines. He joined HM submarine Tribute, and in January 1942, HM submarine Porpoise, captained by Lieutenant L.W.A. Bennington.
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Early days

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He managed to embark on the fleet repair ship HMS Sandhurst as a NAAFI (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) boy in 1934 and finally joined the Royal Navy as an assistant steward on September 2, 1935.
1934 found HMS Sandhurst in some kind of exercise in Malta .


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Basically yes but it was mostly for accounting purposes as the larger ships & shore bases [which were also ships for the purposes of naval discipline] had the staff to deal with the smaller tenders.

David.
Thank you David. Looked up World War Two Forums and the same has been said. Your reply confirms all this. Post 16 I've attached the continuation of the service record. As you have noted previously, the record stops in 1941 and continues in 1947. His discharge is listed in 1949. Why such omission between the years is unknown to me.

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