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Old 11-09-14, 07:12 AM
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Default 1st S.A.M.R. - The White Horse of Hanover

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This formed part of a display I set up to commemorate the anniversary of the Battle of Sandfontein and specifically the South African Mounted Rifles.

In a previous post Andrew Dinnes asked about a photograph regarding the manner in which the badge was worn.

The sergeant's photograph I found in a contemporary newspaper in my research section at home.
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Old 11-09-14, 10:03 AM
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Thanks William. I found some info in Grahamstown regarding this. The silver badges were worn as per your picture. When they ran out, they were issued with white metal badges that faced the opposite way. This appears to have happened post WW1. Regards Andrew
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Old 11-09-14, 11:11 AM
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Gentlemen,
These appear very similar indeed to those worn by the 3rd Kings Own Hussars!
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Hi Frank,

not the W Yorkshire Regt without the scroll?

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These appear very similar indeed to those worn by the 3rd Kings Own Hussars!
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Old 11-09-14, 04:30 PM
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LOL Iain,
Are you suggesting that the SAMR, a regiment venerated throughout the civilized world, would merely have got hold of a few West Yorkshire's and cut them in two!

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not the W Yorkshire Regt without the scroll?

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Old 11-09-14, 05:33 PM
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Frank,

no, not suggesting, merely pointing out a likeness. Incidentally, the Durban LI initially had a Durham LI badge.
I wonder if, because the badges were made in the UK that the makers slipped them in to save "reinventing the wheel" so to speak.
I seem to recall reading in the history of the Natal Mounted Rifles that the badge of 1902 - 1913 was also a white horse of Hanover and although not a copy the horse is certainly very similar to the "Kings."

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Are you suggesting that the SAMR, a regiment venerated throughout the civilized world, would merely have got hold of a few West Yorkshire's and cut them in two!
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Old 11-09-14, 05:39 PM
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Hello Iain,
You must forgive my sense of humour,
I think you have hit the nail on the head, these were certainly not made in South Africa, they would have been made here and it rather does beg the question, what exactly are they.
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no, not suggesting, merely pointing out a likeness. Incidentally, the Durban LI initially had a Durham LI badge.
I wonder if, because the badges were made in the UK that the makers slipped them in to save "reinventing the wheel" so to speak.
I seem to recall reading in the history of the Natal Mounted Rifles that the badge of 1902 - 1913 was also a white horse of Hanover and although not a copy the horse is certainly very similar to the "Kings."
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Old 11-09-14, 06:00 PM
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No apology necessary; I have to be very careful of my own sense of humour as a lot of people are easily offended

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LOL!

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Old 12-09-14, 06:37 AM
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If my memory serves me correctly, this badge was approved in 1902 by the War Office to worn by the CMR whose traditions and customs were maintained when they later formed the first regiment of the South African Mounted Rifles.

The badge was authorised for use by both the mounted and artillery branches.

This is specifically described in one of Curzon's books which I unfortunately do not have with me in South Sudan.
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Old 12-09-14, 10:05 AM
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It's just interesting though, the likeness with the British badges.
I would love to know the history behind the adoption of the original CMR badge.

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The badge was authorised for use by both the mounted and artillery branches.

This is specifically described in one of Curzon's books which I unfortunately do not have with me in South Sudan.
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The examples I have all have silver proof marks and were made in the U.K.

Maybe someone has more information as it was definitely "adopted"?
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Old 13-09-14, 07:23 AM
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Hello William,
When you say "proof" marks, do you mean a full set of hallmarks and if so, what are they?
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Hi Frank,

Will remove it from the frame when I get back to South Africa.

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For interest, this is a W Yorks cap badge

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