NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS - WHITE METAL VOLUNTEERS?

[LONGSHANKS]

Hi all, a quick question. Are there known use of white metal for volunteers.

Thanks

Simon.

[LONGSHANKS]

here's a pic.

[Alan O]

Yes it is. VB or early pre 1915 TF.

Alan

[LONGSHANKS]

Thanks Alan.

Cheers

Simon.

[Alan O]

http://buywyze.com/viewphoto.php?shoph=1017191&phqu=0

Bosleys sold a few as VB badges. No idea how much for.

[wright241]

Here is a 2nd Vol Battn (although this one has a scroll) alongside some collars.
Can't find my plain one.
David

[LONGSHANKS]

thanks for the extra info chaps. I'll have to wait until I get it to see if it's a collar, as in David's pics. Or the cap.

Regards

Simon.

[KLR]

Volunteer Regulations mostly state WM. After 1908 TF Bns often had WM 'Walking Out Dress' badges.

[Graham Stewart]

Originally Posted by LONGSHANKS

Hi all, a quick question. Are there known use of white metal for volunteers.

Thanks

Simon.

Regulations for the Volunteer Force - 1901; Clothing-Badges- II. Badges - Para 640;-"Honours worn in line battalions will not be worn by volunteers. With this exception badges of the design worn in the line battalions may be adopted by volunteer battalions(see para 622). They will be entirely in silver, white metal or bronze, and the number of the battalion following "V.B." or "Volr. Battn." will be included in the designation."

(Churchill paraphrased):

White-metal collar badges were worn by the soldiers of the 2nd and 3rd Volunteer Battalions from 1897-1908, on the full dress and undress garments. Also worn on the blue serge uniform by the TF Battalions 1908-1914.

The badges were also worn [as with David's examples] in the vertical position.

NF 1.jpgNF 2.jpg

Peter

[Graham Stewart]

Regulations for the Territorial Force & County Associations - 1910
Section 9. - Uniform, Equipment, Decorations and Medals, &c.
2. Non-Commissioned Officers and Men
Badges - Para 486. "Honours worn by units of the regular army will not be worn by corresponding units of the Territorial Force, and the word "Ubique" will be omitted from all badges and appointments worn by R.A. and R.E.. With these exceptions the distinctive badges are common to both forces. In the "walking -out" dress they will be entirely in white metal or bronze, except where special permission has been given for the adoption of gold lace and gilt ornaments(See para. 454)

[Mike]

Here's my one with a slider. I'm sure that's highly controversial

[LONGSHANKS]

Always willing to learn Mike, why controversial.

Simon.

[Mike]

I was thinking about the date of the introduction of sliders, 1908 would suggest Vols cap badges should have loops, but that slider date is now considered earlier (is it 1905 or something? - can't remember) so it could still be a Vols cap badge -or a walking out badge as mentioned by Graham above.

[LONGSHANKS]

I think 1903 Mike I have read on here in places.

Simon.