master gunner - royal artillery

[jeanpit-frenchy]

found in EBAY uk

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-ROYAL-ART...item483b5351b3


for me crossed guns only with crown or star, impossible with royal arms ....

assistant gunnery instuctor or skill at arms badge ......

may be i forget something somewhere !!!



what did expert think about that

[grumpy]

AO 309/ 1918:

Master Gunner First Class Royal Arms and wreath and gun [not guns]

Second Class no wreath

[54Bty]

The badges shown would have been worn by a 'Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery' with the rank of WOI, 1915-1963. Nothing to do with 'Master Gunners'.

[jeanpit-frenchy]

thank you for help....

so , badge of WO1 gunnery instructor .... the crossed guns are worn on the right arm only, below the rank of warrant officers

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by 54Bty

The badges shown would have been worn by a 'Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery' with the rank of WOI, 1915-1963. Nothing to do with 'Master Gunners'.

Not so according to the RA Institute, who wrote an article on the subject. For a period during and after WW1 the appointment of WOs 1st Class of the RA/RHA/RFA/RGA was "Master Gunner". This later changed to "Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery", but I do not recall the date when this change took place.

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Not so according to the RA Institute, who wrote an article on the subject. For a period during and after WW1 the appointment of WOs 1st Class of the RA/RHA/RFA/RGA was "Master Gunner". This later changed to "Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery", but I do not recall the date when this change took place.

Do you have a copy of the above, I would love to see it. Master Gunners and Instructors of Gunnery were and are two different things.

[Eddie Parks]

This thread has been puzzling me because while I would automatically defer to 54Bty on most things Gunnery something was niggling at me. This afternoon i remembered where my 1968 YOs notebook was and had a look. And there it is under a heading Gunnery Staff: IG - officer - red SD hat band on exercise; Master Gunner - WO1 - white SD cap cover; Ack IG - WO2 -ditto.

Inconclusive I know.

I am not sure when Ack IG changed to SMIG, but it seems to me it would have been mid to late 70s.

Eddie

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by 54Bty

Do you have a copy of the above, I would love to see it. Master Gunners and Instructors of Gunnery were and are two different things.

I'm sorry, I do not have it, but I read it with care whilst based at Woolwich. I know you are a Gunner, and a very knowledgeable one at that, and I would not have dared contradict you unless I was sure about both what I read and the veracity of its source.

It seems that the Sergeant Major School of Gunnery (WO1) and Battery, or Company Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery (WO2) were introduced and replaced the Master Gunners of the Gunnery Staff (only) in Oct 1918, leaving non-Gunnery Staff Master Gunners 1st and 2nd Class, (WOs1) and Master Gunner 3rd Class,(WO2). see following AOs.