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Old 25-02-14, 09:18 PM
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Was at an antique show in the mall the other day and had to make a fast decision on this badge.... I was 50/50 on it being a copy but had picked up a couple of other badges I was sure of for a cheap price... my reasoning to buy this one was that if it turned out to be a dud I wasn't going to be out anything on the total deal...

On researching what I could on the forum it looks like I've ended up with a 1970's restrike copy... If it's not I'd be very happy...as it sits at least the Forum members will have a good picture of what one of these copies looks like..
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Old 25-02-14, 09:24 PM
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Old 25-02-14, 10:33 PM
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Jim,

Your assumption was correct I am afraid. It is a restrike.

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Old 25-02-14, 11:50 PM
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What are the signs specifically marking this as a restrike/fake?
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Old 26-02-14, 01:48 AM
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I think one of the biggest indicators is that it is die struck on the back... it should be a solid cast back.... please correct me if I'm wrong on this... Jim
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Old 26-02-14, 07:35 AM
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Jim,

This is what you need to find.

There was a very interesting article in Soldier magazine July 1957 which suggested that all members of the Liverpool Irish at that time wore the badge with the bugle horn, I have often wondered about that statement and have come to the conclusion that it was an error on the part of the Reporter.

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Old 26-02-14, 08:25 AM
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JT,

Yes, the article suggests all members of the unit wore the badge with the integral bugle, but in fact the bugle only appears on officers badges.

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Old 26-02-14, 10:16 AM
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Personally I think it has a good chance of being genuine - though I would have preferred to see a makers mark. This badge first appeared in silver plate with a slider, then in HM silver and, I believe much later, as a die struck badge - albeit often silvered. It will have ben worn up to 1967.
I bought one of these from a military tailor's shop in Liverpool in about 1969 / 1970 and assumed that it was old stock being sold off.
I have one of each type in my collection and will keep it as genuine - I'd have this one off you too if you really want to pass it on !
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Old 26-02-14, 11:56 AM
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Thanks for all the comments... I think I'll hold on to it.... Jim
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Old 03-06-14, 07:02 AM
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Ji Jim,

I reckon Simon's right about it being a re-strike. Take a look at Pete's first image and then compare to these from a post I made a while back. Basically they were cast in solid silver (mostly by Gaunt) and would have been purchased privately by the officers. See how the castings are virtually the same?

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