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Old 01-06-10, 02:55 AM
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Default NZ 4th Mounted Rifles

I picked this badge up years ago just because I really liked it. I believe it is WW1 vintage, 4th Waikato Mounted Rifles. Any info on the unit history would be much appreciated.

It has an interesting 'hook' on it - would anyone know what this was for? Would the screw-post fixing be original?

Also curious to know approximate value (crass North American that I am)?

Cheers, Ian.
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Old 01-06-10, 04:36 AM
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Hi Ian,
A very good book is "Waikato Troopers, History of the Waikato Mounted Rifles" by Richard Stowers. NZ$40.00 plus postage. Pub. by author in 2008, 320pp and lots of pictures.

Briefly, this regiment was formed on 17 March 1911 with amalgamation of the 2nd Regiment Auckland Mounted Rifles with the 4th Regiment, Auckland Mounted Rifles. Recruited in Hamilton, Piako, Te Awamutu, Cambridge, Tauranga, Opotiki, Whakatane, Te Puke and Matata areas.
Saw action at Gallipoli, Sinai and Palestine.

Your badge was worn on the left side of a slouch hat and the hook supported the brim. Yes, the screw post is original. I have such a badge myself.

Sorry, I cannot give you a present day value but was catalogued as NZ$45.00 in 1997. Definitely a rarer badge.

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Old 01-06-10, 12:20 PM
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Hi Tinto,

Thanks for the info. I shall have to try hard NOT to get into collecting NZ badges as CEF is a lifetime pursuit on its own! I think WW1-era NZ badges are beautiful and it would be easy to get hooked...

Cheers, Ian.
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Price on your 4th Waikato Mounted Rifles with hook - most of these badges had hooks taken off - If I was in the market for one I would probably give you USD100. A lovely badge.
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Old 07-06-10, 11:32 AM
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Price on your 4th Waikato Mounted Rifles with hook - most of these badges had hooks taken off - If I was in the market for one I would probably give you USD100. A lovely badge.
Thanks for that info Wayne, much appreciated! Cheers, Ian.
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Guys, would the badges shown here have been actually worn at Gillipoli? I am putting a file together of what I need to find for my collection (Gallipoli)
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Old 16-06-10, 04:57 PM
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Hi Kai,
The hooked badges would not have been worn at Gallipoli. By that time, the Mounted Rifles wore their badge on front of the hat.
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Old 16-06-10, 10:56 PM
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Thank you Tinto
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Old 17-06-10, 12:39 AM
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IMO the wearing of the brim down and the move of Regimental hat badges from the side to the front, was a quick remedy to easily identify New Zealanders from their Australian counterparts.

Its worth considering that the 4th Waikato Mounted Rifle members of the Main Body and their 1st and 2nd Reinforcements, would have been issued hook hat badges until the supply was exhausted.

Many of the hooks were cut off by their owners to give the hat a more aesthetic look while the badge was worn on the front.

Fortunately for us badge collectors, some chose not to remove the hook as can be seen in the photos below.

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Trooper Richard Bluett 13/291


Trooper Lewis Cuthbert Turton 13/466


Second Lieutenant Morris James Milliken 13/279
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Old 17-06-10, 01:43 AM
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Hi Brent,
Thanks for your input. The photos "say" it all, some hooked badges may have been worn at Gallipoli.
Cheers, Tinto
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Old 17-06-10, 03:54 AM
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Thank you Tinto and Brent for the education, it is really appreciated and I will put this badge into the files, would be an honour to own one - Gallipolli or not.
Thanks again
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Heres a few more 4th (Waikato) Mounted Rifles hook badges.





Trooper Percy Edward Breingan 13/300
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Old 18-06-10, 06:59 AM
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Trooper Allan George Duffull 13/321


Trooper Alfred James Swayne 13/459


Trooper Martin Gilbert 13/340
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Heres some pics of the 11th (North Auckland) Mounted Rifles hook badge.




Sergeant Frederick Keeley 13/611


Second Lieutenant Henry Frederick Ernest Mackesy 13/254
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Old 18-06-10, 07:07 AM
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Heres some pics of the 1st (Canterbury) Regiment hook badge.




Lance Corporal William John Halkett 6/1117


Private Francis Leonard Richards 6/128
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