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Old 24-02-21, 10:09 PM
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Default Help Appreciated to Identify WW1 Cloth 'Trade' Badge

Hi All. Hoping for some help from the hive-mind...

My brother and I are stuck identifying the cloth 'trade badge' on our grandfather's WW1 uniform. Photo below. Seems to be a sword - crossed with what at first glance looks like a flag, but could also be a cleaver?!

We know that he was Army Service Core 32nd Division from 1915 to end of war.

Many thanks in advance.

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Old 24-02-21, 11:21 PM
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Welcome to the Forum Jonathan. Your account is active and open for posts.
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Old 25-02-21, 07:45 AM
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Signal flags, a signals instructor? I think that may be a "false" flag and that the badge is more likely crossed swords.
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Old 25-02-21, 08:08 AM
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Interesting. I'd spent some time looking at signal flags and couldn't find any with the flag in that 'upright' position.

Here's another image - diff angle - diff light...
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Old 25-02-21, 11:46 AM
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Welcome to the forum Jonathan, tricky one as I think the shadow cast in the photo is deceiving the eye, looks to be the crossed cutlasses of a PTI , Physical Training Instructor, Iím sure others with more knowledge of this will confirm.

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Old 25-02-21, 12:19 PM
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Thank you Gerard and thanks for your thoughts...

I tried to attach a second photo to the original post, but can't seem to. Am including here in case it pops up in the thread.

My brother (Army Air Core 1980's) is certain that the flag-looking-object is a flag; but less certain about the sword-looking-object.

I feel the opposite! Anyway - second image included here...

Many thanks all!

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Old 25-02-21, 12:51 PM
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Signal flags, a signals instructor? I think that may be a "false" flag and that the badge is more likely crossed swords.
I've changed my mind - crossed flags, I think.
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Old 25-02-21, 12:53 PM
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Interesting. I'd spent some time looking at signal flags and couldn't find any with the flag in that 'upright' position.

Here's another image - diff angle - diff light...
I don't see an upright flag, just the conventional "X" shape.
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I've changed my mind - crossed flags, I think.
I'd agree , one flag is reasonably clear and the other is partially 'hidden' by fold in sleeve.

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Old 25-02-21, 01:25 PM
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I don't see an upright flag, just the conventional "X" shape.
Good to know - thank you!
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Old 25-02-21, 01:30 PM
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Thanks all for the responses. So good to discuss it with more knowledgeable people...!

I had also considered the point that only the furthermost flag is visible, and that the other flag could be lost in a jacket-fold...

But there's consistently a hard edge on the nearer one.

Here are some more photos that might help. Only if you're still interested!

Thanks.

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Welcome to the forum Jonathan, tricky one as I think the shadow cast in the photo is deceiving the eye, looks to be the crossed cutlasses of a PTI , Physical Training Instructor, Iím sure others with more knowledge of this will confirm.

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Yep Iíve changed me mind also, crossed flags as said one flag covered by fold of uniform .

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Looks like 4 bladed propeller for the RFC/RAF to e. The pennant part appears to be some kind of blemish on the photo.

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Old 25-02-21, 02:44 PM
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I'm with Terry, first thing I thought was crossed propellers RFC.
The other bit is a blemish on the photo, I'm sure of it.
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Old 25-02-21, 02:52 PM
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I discounted the propeller as he's ASC and I could'nt keep coming up with a list of maybe- so he's RFC?
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