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Old 13-10-13, 08:33 AM
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Default 3 different mess dress buttons on one piece of cloth

This strip has been taken from (I think) a mess dress jacket.
It has 3 different types of buttons.
1 unidentified (silver on gilt)
2 Welsh Guards (gilt on gilt, made by the London Badge & Button Co)
3 Brigadiers & Colonels (gilt on gilt)
The back shows the buttons have been attached by a ribbon.

What is button 1? It has a lion atop a coronet (not a crown).
Is the cutting part of a mess dress?
What is the meaning of 3 different designs on one jacket?
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Old 13-10-13, 12:25 PM
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Hello btns

Button 1 looks a little like 'Prince Alfred's Guard', a South African unit. They had two different patterns of tunic button and both used a lion/coronet virtually identical to your button. This could easily be their mess dress button.

Why there should be three different mess buttons on one uniform beats me. All I can think of is that two were lost and these were the only replacements available. The Welsh Guards button would certainly pass muster at a distance! Possibly an old mess dress jacket used for an amateur stage production or similar. Best theory I can come up with!

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Old 13-10-13, 06:55 PM
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Possibly the work of a tailors apprentice?

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Old 13-10-13, 07:11 PM
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For starters - Is there a mess dress with 5 buttons like this?
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Old 14-10-13, 07:57 AM
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I think it is a cuff from a blue patrol jacket, rather than mess dress. My suggestion would be that this belonged to an officer of the Welsh Guards (buttons in fives) promoted to Colonel or Brigadier. Keeps the buttons in fives to indicate past service and mixes the buttons on the cuff = the three 'Staff' buttons, a Welsh Guards button and the top button. Can't comment on the South African background of the first button, but given that this set up is 'quirky' perhaps it has been applied as being close to the cap badge of an officer of the Staff - the nearest at hand?
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