Reproductions for the Canadian Badge Registry

[Bill A]

The increasing number of reproduction / copy / fantasy Canadian badges poses a significant problem for collectors, new and old. An online reference can identify and document the bogus badges. As has been discussed in other threads, the Canadian Badge Index can be used to disseminate the information about repros and fantasy badges. Would forum members who have expertise or knowledge of repro / fantasy / fake badges please submit a text description and images of said badges. These will be added to the Index.
Images should be your property or have permission for use.
And, there are still many badge images needed for the Index. Some of the missing badges are common, while others are rare. Filling in the blanks will help sort out the real from the repro.

[Pink]

Bill....just received a badge which I am sure is a cast reproduction...will leave the pics and my description to your dissemination....known examples are in Copper...this one is in brass, has vertical cast lines above both rear lugs...and the cast lines go right thru the tops of the lugs...as they are excellently cast in as well....cast lines, wrong material are the clues...there were a couple available online so I jumped at one, as the Officers were/are unknown...it is the Overseas version of the 12th Canadian Infantry Charlton number 12B-??..let me know your thoughts before I return it...do u have an email addy I can fwd the pics to...new to this..
Thanks..

[Bill A]

Hi Floyd, Please use the personal message function, and we can go from there.

[DavidS]

Slow day, so let's open a can of forum worms. Talking to a dealer in Halifax this past spring, he told me the following. There were surplus buckled annulus overlays for the CBH M-137a badge available which have been affixed to non-buckled M-137 bases (a fair number of which you see with no overlays) then passed off as legitimate M-137a badges. His advice was "if you can't read CANADA on the back of the badge in the crown, don't buy it." The M-137a badge has the word CANADA in the crown band, the later, M-137 badge does not. Further to this, the buckled annulus isn't on the badge base either.

I've seen legit. versions that pass the CANADA test, but of late I have seen one ebay seller who has sold one and just listed another of these non-Canada base versions.

I usually take 'I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy' stories with some salt, but this one does made sense to me as told, since I see no reason why non-buckled annulus bases would be made concurrent with a buckled annulus issue badge. My apologies to Bill A., since this is a pic. of one of his badges, but it does show the lack of the CANADA in the crown band and the buckled annulus from the back.

So, confirmation? Conjecture? Added thoughts?

(yes, I corrected my mis-numbered numbers!)

[jim a]

M 157 is the Saskatoon Light Infantry.... I know that you are talking exclusively about the Cape Breton Highlanders badges M137 and M137a... but some other members might not be familiar and could be confused

[DavidS]

Originally Posted by jim a

M 157 is the Saskatoon Light Infantry.... I know that you are talking exclusively about the Cape Breton Highlanders badges M137 and M137a... but some other members might not be familiar and could be confused

Thanks for catching that. Edited my original post to correct my fat fingerism

[48th]

Hi Bill,

I think some sort of refrence showing fake Canadian badges as well as pre unification Candian shoulder flashes would be a great help to all collectors and might even keep SOME of the vendors honest as well.

Ron

[servicepub]

Originally Posted by 48th

Hi Bill,
I think some sort of refrence showing .... pre unification Candian shoulder flashes would be a great help to all collectors .....

Nobody would be interested in that!!! (Inside joke 48th, as Bill is diligently working on just such a book.)
The fake badges book is tough because it is a moving target. No sooner would you publish such a book that the fakers would have produced other, newer, fakes. They would also use the book to improve their product. This type of info is better for a forum such as this where it can be more timely.

Cheers,
Clive
(Welcome aboard)

[Bill A]

Additionally, if the originals are documented and that information is available, anything that does not fit the story should be treated with great suspicion. Sixty-five years down the line, newly discovered undocumented/unknown titles are really rare. On the balance of probability, I would want reverse onus, eg prove to me that this newly found pattern was worn, rather than accept the title as original.
Clive, thanks for the plug, still at it. A bit of a plateau over the summer, but the word total is now approaching 70,000.

[48th]

I was not really thinking of a published book on the subject of fake Canadian shoulder flashes more along the lines of a site or album where pictures of known fakes could be looked and crossed reffrenced with esisting collections or future phurchases.
I agree that Bill's or any one elses detailed book would be a great help.
Eagerly awaiting your book in what ever fourm it turns out to be. I will be the first in line to buy it.

[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by servicepub

Nobody would be interested in that!!! (Inside joke 48th, as Bill is diligently working on just such a book.)
The fake badges book is tough because it is a moving target. No sooner would you publish such a book that the fakers would have produced other, newer, fakes. They would also use the book to improve their product. This type of info is better for a forum such as this where it can be more timely.

Cheers,
Clive
(Welcome aboard)

Speaking of books....I remember a few back seeing,at the Etobicoke show, Michael Reintjes's father showing me an incredible work done on shoulder titles. Whwtever happend to that.Michael ???????

Jo

[CHILLIWACK]

Have a CEF 151 Central Alberta Canada badge made of brass. Has a Jackson and Sons stamping on back. Question is, were they ever made of brass? Are the forgeries, reproductions now even come with manufactures names on them?

[Bill A]

Any chance of an image?

[Phillip Herring]

Are these Bondy badges?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/wakemeup57/m...p2047675.l2562

Phil

[DavidS]

Bondy's list had both the COTC U of Alberta and the PEI Light Horse in copper. He doesn't list an Edmonton Fusiliers. Hearsay, but I don't think he marked his copies as copies.