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Andy, I couldn't agree more, it's an absolutely ridiculous situation.
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Hi Paul (and others) :
I fully realise who you are getting at, and believe it or not, I share your frustration. But I do feel one has to be pragmatic regarding the problem of repros/fakes. Lets face it, we are all guilty of deriding those films or re-enactments where the uniforms or badge details are ridiculously inaccurate, while at the same time condemning such items when someone has made a concerted effort to make them at least appear authentic. You can't have it both ways. And, while one may deplore the fact that certain individuals will always exploit the situation for their own ends, it is futile to pretend we can stop this … its like trying to un-invent the atomic bomb … we have to learn to live with it. Like it or not, we can only contest the situation by facing up to the challenge, educating ourselves, and "upping our game" to expose these frauds as and when they occur. This indeed applies to all collecting hobbies ; art, coins, and medals etc., It is no use being in denial .. that is not an option, and, if you disagree, I would be very interested to hear your solution to the problem. Regards Jeff |
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Agree completely Andy. How are us amateur collectors supposed to trust the forum if this goes on.....
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This is how I see it, we all draw our own lines when it comes to good and bad/ right and wrong, and as all 7.683 billion of us human beings are individuals there is never going to be a consensus on a complex question like this, the moderators have made a rule that you can't sell fakes on this site which is probably as far as they can go both sensibly and legally.
Here is my opinion if anyone is interested. Badges don't only exist for the benefit of badge collectors, replica/fake badges are needed for movies and living history and therefore must exist, they should be well marked so anyone can tell, not just friends of the manufacturer who know their initials. Even putting a replacement slider, lug, enamel, or black finish on a badge to a degree makes that badge a fake, repairing a broken badge with its own original parts is probably OK. Selling a recently repaired badge unmarked as such is at best irresponsible. But its only legally wrong if you pass fake items on as real. And I don't expect everyone to agree. Rob |
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Crap is crap and dealers in crap don't belong on this forum, it's as simple as that.
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So your point "it is futile to pretend we can stop this" is moot. Only weak people "learn to live it." Strong people fight it. Is this a forum for collectors of genuine militaria or a forum for people who sell fakes as well. Let's not beat around the bush. A reproduction or a copy is a fake. When people like Andrew Butler make a fake Selous Scouts beret badge and then adds the makers name of original Selous Scouts beret badges then that is deceit. The sooner the mods on this forum grow a set and turf these deceitful grubs from the forum the better it will be. I won't be holding my breath. |
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Kicking them off the forum will not stop them selling fakes. Kicking them off the forum won't even stop them seeing the forum.
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Since when did a person who is a forum member or who wanted to join a forum have a say bigger than the creator of the forum? Do explain what is illegal about refusing a person membership or banning a member? Quote:
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Kick 'em off anyway!!!.
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Do you think that appeasing them or by turning the other cheek will change things? The purpose of removing them from the forum is to show that the sellers of fakes won't be tolerated. To not remove them shows that the powers to be are weak and tolerate members selling fakes as long as it's not on the forum. |
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Not sure I've ever been called an "appeaser" before, I just looked the opposite of appeaser and I don't make a habit of doing any of that so maybe I am.
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Peter
I think it is you that have missed the point : I am on your side for God's sake! But no matter how "strong" you are you cannot un-invent the atomic bomb or un-milk a cup of tea. These fakes are on the market … fact … all we can do is to un-mask them and expose the peddlers. Bona-fida re-enactment groups are not to blame, but there will always be smart-arse individuals who will attempt to capitalise on our ignorance. Wise up. This Forum and other badge collecting groups such as the MHS are an excellent way of combatting this exploitation. Last edited by Jeff Mc William; 11-02-19 at 12:21 PM. |
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Who are these people
Surely if the seller of fake badges is a gentlemen he will immediately offer his resignation.
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