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Old 26-03-09, 10:27 AM
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Thumbs down 13th ALH

Anyone know anything about this badge? Any info greatly appreciated!
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Old 26-03-09, 01:21 PM
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No pics ???????
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Old 26-03-09, 06:37 PM
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Could it be 13 Australian Light Horse ???
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Old 26-03-09, 08:12 PM
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If it's the one Jo posted, that the 13th Light Horse unofficial "Dancing Devil" hat badge - unofficial collars also exist.

It was an unofficial badge paid for out of regimental funds and were made in Egypt and also in the UK (as told to me by a long time collector and dealer in Australia).

The 13th Light Horse was in France during WW1.

From the Australian War Memorial website:

"The 13th Light Horse Regiment was formed at Broadmeadows in Victoria in March 1915; it was the third light horse regiment to have been raised in that state. Its regimental number quickly led to it becoming known as the “Devil’s Own” regiment. It left Australia on 28 May and disembarked in Egypt on 29 June 1915.

The light horse were considered unsuitable for the initial operations at Gallipoli, but were subsequently deployed without their horses. The 13th Light Horse landed on 11 September 1915. For most of its time at Gallipoli the regiment manned the trenches at Lone Pine, one of the most heavily contested parts of the ANZAC front line. The regiment left Gallipoli on 20 December 1915.

Back in Egypt, the infantry component of the AIF was expanded from two divisions to four and the 13th Light Horse was broken down to provide a divisional cavalry squadron for the 2nd, 4th and 5th Divisions. These squadrons proceeded to France with their divisions in March and June 1916, and were eventually reunited in July when the 13th Light Horse was reformed as the cavalry regiment for I ANZAC.

On the Western Front, terrain and the nature of the war there limited the roles mounted troops could fulfil, but they were still heavily employed. The 13th Light Horse carried out traffic control, rear area security and prisoner escort tasks, and, when the tactical situation permitted, the more traditional cavalry role of reconnaissance. It was most active during the more mobile phases of the war on the Western Front, which included the follow-up of the German retreat to the Hindenburg Line in early 1917, the stemming of the German Spring Offensive of 1918, and the allied offensive of August and September 1918. The regiment’s largest engagement was during the operations to capture the Hindenburg “outpost line” between 5 and 9 September 1918 when it provided the advance guard, along a front of 13.5 kilometres, for the advance of the Australian Corps. The regiment had become the Australian Corps cavalry regiment upon its formation in November 1917.

Like much of the Australian Corps, the 13th Light Horse was completing a period of rest and retraining when the war ended on 11 November 1918. After the armistice its personnel were progressively returned to Australia for discharge. The regiment was disbanded on 30 April 1919. "

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Old 26-03-09, 08:16 PM
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Speaking for myself, great information Mick. Thanks. One thing that bugs me is, with so many great looking badges, why would the Australian Army have everybody wear the rising-sun badge ???? (The same applied for the NZ Army)
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Old 26-03-09, 09:24 PM
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Well the Rising Sun Badge was the official issue badge and quite possibly (pure speculation on my part) because of cost, lack of time (the AIF was raised and then dispatched overseas quickly and the fact that the newly raised units had no history etc.

I really can't say anything about this with any degree of conviction as I would need to do further research about it.

Maybe ChrisR and other long time Australian collectors may know?

It sure would have made collecting Australian badges much more interesting if the Australian battalions and regiments had individual badges like the English and Canadians.

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Old 26-03-09, 09:28 PM
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Thanks Mick.
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Old 26-03-09, 10:36 PM
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Jo,

Mick is correct on both counts. The 13th ALH is considered an unofficial badge made during the war.

There were two Australian armies during the Great War. The part time force (Australian Military Forces) that came into being post Federation. In 1911/12 it was extensively re-organised and compulsory military service was introduced, although by law it could not serve outside of Australia.

Then there was the Australian Imperial Force (AIF) raised from volunteers for overseas service in 1914. It remained a volunteer force throughout the war as conscription for overseas service was never introduced into Australia during the war, despite two referendums on the matter.

Most of the infantry and light horse units in the AMF did not have their own unit badges after the 1911/12 re-organisation. They wore a brass numeral on the front of their hats and the General Service Badge titled "Australian Commonwealth Military Forces" on the turned up brim. It was this badge that was issued to the AIF .

I understand that those few that did have their own badge were unofficial but I am not sure of this. The other theory is they were the only ones that applied for a unit badge, which may be correct given the compulsory nature of service in the AMF.

There was quite a debate about the nature of the AMF prior to the re-organisation of 1911/12; between those who believed it should provide a component of the British Army in time of war and those who thought it should be a National Army raised only for the defence of Australia and who were against having a compulsorily recruited force to pursue British Imperial goals. The National Force group won out, although plans were put in place to prepare and equip an Imperial Force in the event of war overseas which is why the AIF was raised, clothed and equipped so quickly.

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