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Are these WW2 para wings?
Can someone tell me whether this style of para wing was worn in WW2 or were they post-war? Thanking you.
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Hi Akiko,
I believe your wing is very similar to the first type of post war Rhodesian parachute wings. See attached photo and similar set from my collection. Paul |
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Ok but I wonder whether they worn in WW2?
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Researcher 39th Battalion, Kokoda campaign and Australian sappers. |
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Paul said post war Rhodesian parachute wings.
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Here is a set of four WW2 era British paratrooper wings that has provenance having been part of an OSS grouping in a private collection. If you look at the wing in the upper left it is very similar to the one Akiko is asking about. I have one in my collection and I've added some close up pictures of my piece and it seems to be very similar to the one Akiko presented except it is embroidered upon a black material instead of a tan colored material. Is it possible that the wing presented by Akiko was produced during the war? As Rhodesia was a British Commonwealth could they have simply adopted this particular design out of the UK in the late 1950s to early 1960s which continued to be produced after the war?
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My first impressions when I obtained the wing I posted was that it was WW2 but then a very experienced Rhodesian collector shared the photo of it being worn and stated that it was the first version of the parachute wing issued by post war Rhodesian forces.
I believe it's perfectly feasible that the design was copied from a war-time wing perhaps even copied from the one highlighted on a black background. I'll search my photo archives and see if I can find a wartime photo of a similar wing being worn. Paul |
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The b&w photo that shows the wing in question being worn was supplied to him years ago by his friend, Craig Fourie. Peter believes the wing was made post WW2 even though he doesn't have any evidence of that. His info from Craig was that it was worn by Rhodesians and Brits (who had moved to Rhodesia) who had been para trained during the war. Rhodesia didn't have a PTS at that time so logically they never had any para wings of their own so they adopted this wing. Some list this para wing as being Rhodesian but it's not. It was the first army para wing worn in Rhodesia but it was neither designed nor made there. The Ghana wing is interesting and there is a major difference between the two. He thinks it's possible they were made in the UK by the same company but he has no evidence. Any information is helpful and I'm sure he'll give anyone due credit in his book. Thanks for all of the information.
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Researcher 39th Battalion, Kokoda campaign and Australian sappers. |
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Yes the Rhodesian collector was Peter and he was kind enough to share the photo with me.
I’m still on the fence on this wing being war-time or post war given the only evidence to date of this wing being worn is the photo provided by Craig via Peter to me on a post-war Rhodesian officer’s uniform. I would urge caution about the assumption that the absence of a PTS meant that the Force couldn’t have a wing of their own. It would be good to see the evidence that this para wing was not designed nor made there? It’s certainly a distinctive design and the later Army designs closely followed the original wing. A very interesting thread this is developing into and this is one of my favourite wings so keen to learn as much about it as possible. Thanks Paul |
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Quite interesting wings with some common features with early private purchase WW2 British badges (see https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...45&postcount=9)
Feather detached and special rigging lines design are very close, the canopy is quite different though compared to the cloud pattern. Unfortunately, many different patterns of private purchase para wings were made in UK during and after the war and it is impossible to date and classify them properly. This design could also have been a special order made in UK for the Rhodesian forces. An interesting and beautiful design nevertheless. Thanks for sharing. |
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Paul, I have spoken to Peter and he sent me this photo. The person in the photo is the late Jock Hutton who passed away at age 96. He served in the 13th Lancashire Parachute Battalion during WW2, jumped on D-Day and later went on to become RSM of the Rhodesian SAS.
This photo was taken in the early 1960s in Rhodesia and shows him wearing the type of para wing that we are discussing. In 1961 PTS was built but the PJI brevets were a British issue for a number of years. Pete's logic is if the Rhodesians were making para wings at this time why weren't the SAS and the PJI's wearing them instead of English made ones? Army-wing_sphoto.jpg
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That's a great photo and Peter makes a good point about the SAS and PJI brevets.
The thing that still intrigues me is the time frame for this wing. The photos we have of this wing being worn is from the 60's, 15 to 20 years after the war. I know some late war British wings were worn into the late 50's and I'm trying to get my head around two different soldiers wearing the same wing in the 60's? Perhaps Rhodesia acquired a batch of old war stocks or they ordered the wings to be produced? Paul |
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