Unusual Welch OSD Badges

[41st]

I have a couple of Welch Regiment OSD badges that are unusual. the 1st had blades that were more like shanks than normal blades, only one remains. I have looked closely and there are no signs of previous fittings.

The 2nd has a shank rather than blades and has that nasty sheen that you associate with modern bronzing and again no sign of any previous fittings.

Both of these are Gaunt patterns and match the 3rd Gaunt sample shown. I have no idea why the 1st is like it is and suspect that the second may be a 70s Gaunt re-strike. Any other thoughts welcome.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[irish]

Hello Kevin, while I am far from an expert I do like all of these. If #2 is duff it would have fooled me. Unless the tapered slider is a give away

The first badge, the blades do not look to be of a type that would be able "easily able" to poke a hole for entry into the cap material. Is it possible this was designed for use where a tailored hole was already created and the the blades fed through and then bent over for fastening? Is there such a thing as a "tailored hole" in a cap?

Jack

[GriffMJ]

Can you post some sharper images Kevin?

[41st]

Hi Jack,
Even if it was for a specially tailored piece it would still be difficult to bend those blades & I rather suspect that it why the fixing has failed on one as the force would be too much for the braized joint. There are special fixings as we know but this one beats me.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[41st]

Griff,
Not until I get back from the van. I took them in a hurry when I poped back home for a development academy meeting for my son. I'll get some better ones when I get back next week.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by 41st

Griff,
Not until I get back from the van. I took them in a hurry when I poped back home for a development academy meeting for my son. I'll get some better ones when I get back next week.
Hwyl,
Kevin

Sounds good

[41st]

Not rugby mind, Welsh Triathlon.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by 41st

Not rugby mind, Welsh Triathlon.

Gods game aside..... any prowess is excellent

[41st]

This is a very unusual Welch OSD bronze collar. As it is the post 1920 C spelling variant it shouldn’t exist as the regimental pattern cap badges also worn as collars were only worn by some territorial & service battalions up until the end of the 1st World War. As far as I’m aware they were not worn after 1920.
This one is made by Jennens so it should date to between 1920-1924. The first two photos show the badge in question & the second two show it between two Jennens cap badges of that period.
Churchill mentions that “A post 1920 pattern badge with title scroll, “The Welch” has been noted, but as far is known was never officially worn on the collar”.This is the only one I’ve seen so it may well be a trial pattern.

[41st]

On the same theme as the last post, but relating to an ORs badge, is this one. Looks to be a standard post 1920 bi-metal example but it’s on lugs. I’ve shown it for comparison with a standard 1898 pattern the on left & a similar post 1920 example on shank to the right to show the difference in the type of crown used between the two.
This is only the 2nd example of this pattern that I’ve picked up. I have no idea why they were produced like this. If it was for a territorial battalion I would expect to see more of them about.

[magpie]

I have those short Slider/blades on a Herts yeomanry RA badge.

[cbuehler]

Originally Posted by 41st

I have a couple of Welch Regiment OSD badges that are unusual. the 1st had blades that were more like shanks than normal blades, only one remains. I have looked closely and there are no signs of previous fittings.

The 2nd has a shank rather than blades and has that nasty sheen that you associate with modern bronzing and again no sign of any previous fittings.

Both of these are Gaunt patterns and match the 3rd Gaunt sample shown. I have no idea why the 1st is like it is and suspect that the second may be a 70s Gaunt re-strike. Any other thoughts welcome.

Hwyl,

Kevin

Going back to this old post, there is no such thing as OSD "restrikes" and none of the badges shown were "struck" in the first place. The are all cast or die cast and private purchase, exempting them from any analysis relative to OR issue badges.

CB