Grenadier Guards Cloth Shoulder Title #2

[Rhys1]

Picked up the single today … any chance that’s wartime ?

The matching pair on the white background I’m fairly certain are WW1. I’ve seen them on WW2 Battledress too. I can’t believe a set was sold recently for £130 !!!

[grenadierguardsman]

I'm not sure about the first one you show ? But the second set is 1 WW. A lot of money imho ?
Andy

[Rhys1]

Thanks Andy.

I’m not sure on the first one either, it was very cheap so thought it was worth a go.

Re: the WW1 pair - I saw a similar pair in a well known dealers page for that and they went very quickly !!! I agree, very expensive. I ‘reunited’ mine from two singles I found (delighted)

[Luc]

I would say the single one is from around WW2, a beautiful example.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Luc

I would say the single one is from around WW2, a beautiful example.

GG titles had changed from squared off ends before, during, and immediately after WW1, to curved ends some time before WW2, possibly around 1937, when battle dress was introduced to replace 1922 pattern service dress.

[Rhys1]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

GG titles had changed from squared off ends before, during, and immediately after WW1, to curved ends some time before WW2, possibly around 1937, when battle dress was introduced to replace 1922 pattern service dress.

Have a look at this BD :

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30097696

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Rhys1

Have a look at this BD :

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30097696

Still squared off on that one. As with all changes in specification there was inevitably a transitional period when the new was replacing the old and both were issued in order to consume old stocks, but I don’t know the exact date when the pattern with a curved end began to be issued. It was certainly fully in use by 1949 and I’ve seen photos of them in use during the war. A big give away of the earliest pattern is the noticeably thick worsted thread used to weave the lettering.

[Phill Lockett]

Hi Toby

Appreciate the clarification and the description thick worsted thread, I can now add that to my checklist.

I do have a GC that is similar in construction and using worsted thread , but is round and has a "later" style backing.

Would this be a 1937-WWII issued pattern?

Cheers

Phill

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Phill Lockett

Hi Toby

Appreciate the clarification and the description thick worsted thread, I can now add that to my checklist.

I do have a GC that is similar in construction and using worsted thread , but is round and has a "later" style backing.

Would this be a 1937-WWII issued pattern?

Cheers

Phill

All my understanding is that the curved backing entered service before WW2, but I don’t know for certain the specific date Phill.

[Rhys1]

3GG at Cassino in the attachment with the WW1 type titles.

I’ve picked the lot of 4 up recently but don’t have them in hand as yet. I’m certain I’ve seen some of these types on WW2 Battledress too. Need to go back and check.

[Phill Lockett]

Thanks Toby

At least I can add that into my database.

Nice WWI example with slip on cloth , the letters definitely look thicker I can use again for referance.


cheers mate

Phill

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Phill Lockett

Thanks Toby

At least I can add that into my database.

Nice WWI example with slip on cloth , the letters definitely look thicker I can use again for referance.


cheers mate

Phill

Here’s a good photo of Foot Guards SM (RSM) at the end of the WW1. Note the different styles of tailored or un tailored jackets and that some regiments still preferred metal shoulder titles. At least two Grenadier Guards have the cloth titles still with squared off ends.

[grenadierguardsman]

Smart photo that is.
Andy

[Hawthorn]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Smart photo that is.
Andy

Not too bad I suppose

Simon.

[grenadierguardsman]

Andy