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Old 06-03-16, 05:35 PM
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Thee are some I don't recognise
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Hope you can see these, many thanks.

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See if this helps: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...b3_attachments

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Old 06-03-16, 09:02 PM
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These came with something else I purchased. I couldn't get the thing I wanted unless I got these with it. Also I don't know what the Horses head represents and the badge with the crossed Malay swords and the letter V, or the Arabic looking badge all of which are in the top image. There is also an oval badge in white with a deformed bird flying I'm not sure of. If anyone can shed some light on this I'd be grateful















My last try Thanks for your patience

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Old 06-03-16, 10:55 PM
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James,

Welcome to the forum, you have to my mind some nice cloth badges there, thanks for showing them to us.

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Old 07-03-16, 08:29 AM
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James,

Second picture, bottom row, far left is 55th West Lancashire Division and was worn from WW1 until WW2. A dealer currently has pair for sale for £25 but I have seen them for sale for all sorts of prices.


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Old 07-03-16, 08:38 AM
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Peter,
I find it quite remarkable that there appears to be so much variation in the price of cloth, depending upon where you buy it from, but, generally speaking, the older it is, the more expensive it tends to get.
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HI James
I take these are the examples which you rang me up about over the week end I hope this helps what I have done below for you there is some copies among them and 2 I dont know Steve



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These came with something else I purchased. I couldn't get the thing I wanted unless I got these with it. Also I don't know what the Horses head represents and the badge with the crossed Malay swords and the letter V, or the Arabic looking badge all of which are in the top image. There is also an oval badge in white with a deformed bird flying I'm not sure of. If anyone can shed some light on this I'd be grateful















My last try Thanks for your patience
PICTURE 1
1ST ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE
2ND 12 ARMY FORMATION PATCHES ( MAY BE A COPY )
3RD ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE COULD BE POST 1947 PAKISTAN
4TH 21ST INDIAN CORPS COPY ?

PICTURE 2
1ST EASTERN COMMAND 2ND PATTERN
2ND ESSEX AND SUFFOLK DISTRICT
3RD 1ST ARMORED BRIGADE
4TH 47TH LONDON OR 23RD CORPS POST WWII
5TH THE 55TH WEST LANCASHIRE DIVISION
6TH SINGAPORE / MALAYA PATCHES NOT 100% SURE
7TH 56TH LONDON ARMOURED DIVISION 1ST PATTERN
8TH 8TH CORPS 1ST PATTERN BLACK PARTRIDGE

PICTURE 3
1ST A 9th CORPS FORMATION PATCH MAY BE A COPY
2ND IS 9TH ARMOURED DIVISION THE SHAPE OF THE MOUTH AND HEAD IS NOT RIGHT SO IT MAY BE A COPY

PICTURE 4
1ST 28TH COMMONWEALTH BRIGADE POST 1953
2ND TOP IS DIRECTORATE OF OPERATIONS BORNEO
3RD & 4TH NORTHERN ARMY GROUP POST WWII FACING PAIR
5 TH ON THE BOTTOM AIR FORMATION SIGNALS 2ND PATTERN ( MAY BE A COPY )


PICTURE 5
1-3 A RHINE ARMY TROOPS FORMATION SIGN
4 & 5 WAR OFFICE CONTROLLED UNITS
6 & 7 1ST CORPS FORMATION SIGNS POST WAR EXAMPLES

PICTURE 6 SHOWS THE 44TH HOME COUNTIES WITH EXAMPLES OF THE TA EXAMPLES

PICTURE 7
1ST 8TH CORPS 2ND PATTERN
2ND EAST ANGLICAN DISTRICT
3RD CENTRAL MIDLAND AND EASTERN DISTRICT
4TH BRITISH ELEMENT TRIESTE FORCE
5TH 12 CORPS FORMATION PATCH
6TH 5TH CORPS
7TH 11TH ARMOURED DIVISION
8TH 79TH ARMOURED DIVISION MAY BE A COPY
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Old 07-03-16, 01:46 PM
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I take these are the examples which you rang me up about over the week end I hope this helps what I have done below for you there is some copies among them and 2 I dont know Steve



PICTURE 1
1ST ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE Malaysian 5 Bde
2ND 12 ARMY FORMATION PATCHES ( MAY BE A COPY ) Genuine IMO
3RD ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE COULD BE POST 1947 PAKISTAN Singapore 1960s
4TH 21ST INDIAN CORPS COPY ? Genuine IMO, also worn by Eastern Comd India 1941-45

PICTURE 2
1ST EASTERN COMMAND 2ND PATTERN
2ND ESSEX AND SUFFOLK DISTRICT
3RD 1ST ARMORED BRIGADE Post War 25 Armd Bde
4TH 47TH LONDON OR 23RD CORPS POST WWII
5TH THE 55TH WEST LANCASHIRE DIVISION
6TH SINGAPORE / MALAYA PATCHES NOT 100% SURE
7TH 56TH LONDON ARMOURED DIVISION 1ST PATTERN
8TH 8TH CORPS 1ST PATTERN BLACK PARTRIDGE

PICTURE 3
1ST A 9th CORPS FORMATION PATCH MAY BE A COPY (Agreed - a copy)
2ND IS 9TH ARMOURED DIVISION THE SHAPE OF THE MOUTH AND HEAD IS NOT RIGHT SO IT MAY BE A COPY Genuine IMO

PICTURE 4
1ST 28TH COMMONWEALTH BRIGADE POST 1953 (late 1960s)2ND TOP IS DIRECTORATE OF OPERATIONS BORNEO aka DOBOPS
3RD & 4TH NORTHERN ARMY GROUP POST WWII FACING PAIR
5 TH ON THE BOTTOM AIR FORMATION SIGNALS 2ND PATTERN ( MAY BE A COPY ) Genuine IMO

PICTURE 5
1-3 A RHINE ARMY TROOPS FORMATION SIGN
4 & 5 WAR OFFICE CONTROLLED UNITS
6 & 7 1ST CORPS FORMATION SIGNS POST WAR EXAMPLES

PICTURE 6 SHOWS THE 44TH HOME COUNTIES Div WITH EXAMPLES OF THE TA EXAMPLES The shield shaped sign is East Kent District and later Home Counties District

PICTURE 7
1ST 8TH CORPS 2ND PATTERN
2ND EAST ANGLICAN DISTRICT Anglian?
3RD CENTRAL MIDLAND AND EASTERN DISTRICT
4TH BRITISH ELEMENT TRIESTE FORCE and earlier British XIII Corps
5TH 12 CORPS FORMATION PATCH
6TH 5TH CORPS
7TH 11TH ARMOURED DIVISION
8TH 79TH ARMOURED DIVISION MAY BE A COPY
A few additional comments embedded - all my opinion only. Mike
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Old 07-03-16, 04:29 PM
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Thanks for the identification. I doubt if any are copies as they came from the MOD. They were part of a package only some of which I wanted and it was buy the whole or go without. So I doubt if they are copies, unless the MOD has been buying them which seems unlikely (not impossible, simply unlikely). Some of the ones which are stated to be copies for example the white horses head has been hand sewn onto khaki cloth and others have signs of having been sewn by hand onto a uniform [??] However I am NOT an expert which is why I decided to ask for advice.

The other part of the package from the MOD, which I did want, is an example DZ flash for every commonwealth airborne formation, including minor units. These are currently being framed.


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I take these are the examples which you rang me up about over the week end I hope this helps what I have done below for you there is some copies among them and 2 I dont know Steve





PICTURE 1
1ST ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE
2ND 12 ARMY FORMATION PATCHES ( MAY BE A COPY )
3RD ? DON'T KNOW THIS ONE COULD BE POST 1947 PAKISTAN
4TH 21ST INDIAN CORPS COPY ?

PICTURE 2
1ST EASTERN COMMAND 2ND PATTERN
2ND ESSEX AND SUFFOLK DISTRICT
3RD 1ST ARMORED BRIGADE
4TH 47TH LONDON OR 23RD CORPS POST WWII
5TH THE 55TH WEST LANCASHIRE DIVISION
6TH SINGAPORE / MALAYA PATCHES NOT 100% SURE
7TH 56TH LONDON ARMOURED DIVISION 1ST PATTERN
8TH 8TH CORPS 1ST PATTERN BLACK PARTRIDGE

PICTURE 3
1ST A 9th CORPS FORMATION PATCH MAY BE A COPY
2ND IS 9TH ARMOURED DIVISION THE SHAPE OF THE MOUTH AND HEAD IS NOT RIGHT SO IT MAY BE A COPY

PICTURE 4
1ST 28TH COMMONWEALTH BRIGADE POST 1953
2ND TOP IS DIRECTORATE OF OPERATIONS BORNEO
3RD & 4TH NORTHERN ARMY GROUP POST WWII FACING PAIR
5 TH ON THE BOTTOM AIR FORMATION SIGNALS 2ND PATTERN ( MAY BE A COPY )


PICTURE 5
1-3 A RHINE ARMY TROOPS FORMATION SIGN
4 & 5 WAR OFFICE CONTROLLED UNITS
6 & 7 1ST CORPS FORMATION SIGNS POST WAR EXAMPLES

PICTURE 6 SHOWS THE 44TH HOME COUNTIES WITH EXAMPLES OF THE TA EXAMPLES

PICTURE 7
1ST 8TH CORPS 2ND PATTERN
2ND EAST ANGLICAN DISTRICT
3RD CENTRAL MIDLAND AND EASTERN DISTRICT
4TH BRITISH ELEMENT TRIESTE FORCE
5TH 12 CORPS FORMATION PATCH
6TH 5TH CORPS
7TH 11TH ARMOURED DIVISION
8TH 79TH ARMOURED DIVISION MAY BE A COPY

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Hello James,

Your last post is intriguing, I was not aware that the Ministry of Defence sold badges to the public ?

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Old 07-03-16, 05:04 PM
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Hello James,

Your last post is intriguing, I was not aware that the Ministry of Defence sold badges to the public ?

Peter
There was a large sale around 1992 or 1993, and it was discussed that there maybe a few more.

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Sorry don't know how. Posting on Facebook is easy, not sure how to on here.
Don't worry unduly James, I am on FB and I struggle to load photo's there let alone anywhere else.

For future reference it might be easier for you to open a forum file and when taken, just stick the pics in your new file and transfer when needed.

I hope that doesn't sound too techie because basically I don't know what I'm doing myself half the time anyway ??? lol.

Dave.

PS, I might struggle but I'm having no problems with Win 10 at the moment ??
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Old 07-03-16, 06:11 PM
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Hello James,

Your last post is intriguing, I was not aware that the Ministry of Defence sold badges to the public ?

Peter
I work for the MOD, it would be fair to say everything is for sale if you have enough money! Army Heritage sometimes sell items from museums or regimental collections which are closing and/or are not required by other museums or collections.

These came from a Regimental Collection (rather than a museum, which is now closed and the items were not required by other museums.

Not too long ago the whole proof collection of badges was sold off.

Just for information when the MOD disposes of anything historical or heritage the process is that it has to be offered to Museums for a period of time, if no museums want the items in question there is another stage and finally public sale. I got these through that middle stage, which requires knowing when the stuff becomes available. Museums don't want the stuff in general, they have problems displaying that which they already have.

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Old 07-03-16, 06:26 PM
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I work for the MOD, it would be fair to say everything is for sale if you have enough money! Army Heritage sometimes sell items from museums or regimental collections which are closing and/or are not required by other museums or collections.

These came from a Regimental Collection (rather than a museum, which is now closed and the items were not required by other museums.

Not too long ago the whole proof collection was sold off

How depressing - especially to one who witnessed the manner in which the section of the MOD Library housed in Old War Office Building was dispersed completely at random (and without any coherent form of tracking) some 15 years ago. It was akin to book burning in late 1930s Germany. Mike
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I work for the MOD, it would be fair to say everything is for sale if you have enough money! Army Heritage sometimes sell items from museums or regimental collections which are closing and/or are not required by other museums or collections.

These came from a Regimental Collection (rather than a museum, which is now closed and the items were not required by other museums.

Not too long ago the whole proof collection was sold off
Interesting post, when I worked as the Registrar of a Regimental Museum the policy was that any items from a closing Museum or Regimental collection was to be deposited with a completed catalogue of items in the National Army Museum. It was then the NAMs job to dispose (through a recognised auctioneers) of those items not required by them or any other National or Regimental Museum.

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