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#1
22-12-20, 07:53 PM
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Argyll & Sutherland dating.
I have nearly completed my Victorian infantry grouping. I have two non voided Argyll & Sutherland examples. One with cat tail up. Would like to know dates for both patterns please. I thought the pattern with tail under the cat was Victorian, now not so sure.
Badge 1 Tail under cat. PC220021.jpg PC220022.jpg PC220024.jpg With flat brass lugs 
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22-12-20, 07:56 PM
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22-12-20, 07:59 PM
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22-12-20, 09:55 PM
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Hi,
Solid with tail up - Sealed 1883. Solid with tail up - Resealed with pin for FSH 1892. Solid with tail under - Sealed 1904. Voided with tail up - Sealed 1910. Voided with tail under - Sealed 1913. I think badge one is actually later, and is the 1913 amended pattern and should really be voided, I can only assume it is a WW1 rush job. Below are the 1904 and 1913 badges. Last edited by Parabellum; 23-12-20 at 06:38 AM. Reason: Removed the word Copy.
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#5
22-12-20, 10:44 PM
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Badge 1 is not a copy with those lugs. The regulations may state what was supposed be, but as so often happens, there are exceptions.
CB
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"We seldom learn the true want of what we have till it is discovered that we can have no more." Sam. Johnson
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#6
23-12-20, 07:07 AM
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I have amended my initial post and removed the words " possibly a copy ", because the thread is about dating the pattern of the badge.
The pattern of badge 1 is the most common type found to this regiment and was produced for around 45 years, and is found in White metal, Plastic (WW2) and anodised. The details of the Army Clothing Department held by the War Office are now in the public domain and freely accessible. 91 - A&SH - SP/ 7958 - 20/12/1913. 'Amended version' with cat's tail under the body, badge still pierced'. So, in my view, badge 1 is a post 1913 badge and for some reason it hasn't been voided. Last edited by Parabellum; 23-12-20 at 07:56 AM.
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#8
24-12-20, 02:19 AM
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Thanks for all the scans, never seen such detailed documentation before on the ASH.
It is not apparent to me from the photos if one of the badges is non voided and dead flat (rather than having a slightly curving centre)? Have had one of these for years and often wondered what period is was.
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#9
24-12-20, 08:25 AM
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Hi Kingsley.
Both my badges are non voided. Badge one is slightly curved/raised centre where badge two has a much more pronounced curve/raised centre and I have described it as domed. Happy to supply more photos if required. Regards Chris
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#11
25-12-20, 12:53 AM
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I am of the opinion that domed or flat badges are just maker variations and have no significance other than that. But I could be wrong of course!
CB
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#13
25-12-20, 11:32 AM
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There is a tale that centres were tapped out using a piece of the rounded end from a broomstick with the badge placed over the mouth or rim of an old heavy glass milk bottle!
Tim
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