Dutch badges,what period please

[blackpowder44]

Pictured below are a set of Dutch badges and I would like to know from what period. John.

[Voltigeur]

Hi John, it's for the Dutch army's Garderegiment Fuseliers Prinses Irene. As for the period, I'd say, worn today.

Jo

[blackpowder44]

Originally Posted by Voltigeur

Hi John, it's for the Dutch army's Garderegiment Fuseliers Prinses Irene. As for the period, I'd say, worn today.

Jo

that was a quick reply, thanks. I was wondering about their "date" because I bought them as a set about 25 years ago. John.

[Voltigeur]

John, the cap badge is of the style worn IIRC from the 70s, but, since the Dutch army is relatively unknown to me, I can only guess the time frame.

Jo

[54Bty]

The top badge is worn on the beret, the next two, are either collar badges (small) or shoulder strap badges (large). The beret badge is worn on a backing patch of Orange with blue border.

Worn since instituted by Army Order number 57 of 1947. The design of the badge was taken from the sleeve badge (shoulder badge) of the Royal Ntherlands Brigade 'Prinses Irene' formed in England on the 11th of January 1941. Became a 'Guards Regiment' in 1948.

Netherlands Army Regimental Badges, by B.C. Cats & C.P. Coenders. Published circa September 1968, by Military Collectors Service, Lingedijk 29, Kedichem, Holland.

[Voltigeur]

Speaking for myself, many thanks 54 for the information.
Cheers
Jo

[blackpowder44]

Thanks 54 Bty for your concice reply. Another question for you is , on the lion in the centre of the picture the motto reads Nederland. In H. Coles book he says that this was the WWII motto and it changed to Je Maintiendrai on reforming of the Dutch army in Holland. I was hoping because of the motto on the lion would make this a WWII set. Did the Netherland motto therefor carry on after WWII on certain badges. John.

[54Bty]

Sorry to say that the book only covers those badges introduced in 1947 (Ministerial Order dated 1946), and how some of them came to be chosen. The only mention of the Lion badge is under the 'Officers of the Military House of H.M. The Queen' who were to wear the badge embroidered in gold wire on black. I have another book on sleve badges (out of reach at the moment) which does have the changes to the wording on the scroll on the cloth sleeve badge. Not sure that the metal Lion badge was worn post 1947 as it is not mentioned in the book.

[boots and saddles]

54th Is this what you mean by blue border? Blue on ends only.

[54Bty]

Yes that is the backing, the badge is normally fixed by a wire ring which is closed by a small plate and fits into two large rings on the badge.

The English translation does say border, however, some of the other words needed to be translated into correct English. Without getting the box down I think I only have one or two that have a border all the way round.

The badges of rank in the image (bar and 2 stars) are older versions for a LtCol.

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by blackpowder44

Thanks 54 Bty for your concice reply. Another question for you is , on the lion in the centre of the picture the motto reads Nederland. In H. Coles book he says that this was the WWII motto and it changed to Je Maintiendrai on reforming of the Dutch army in Holland. I was hoping because of the motto on the lion would make this a WWII set. Did the Netherland motto therefor carry on after WWII on certain badges. John.

Nederland on the scroll under the lion only changed to Je Maintendrai on the shoulder patches, not on the lion cap badge.
The design of the Prinses Irene cap badge is post war.
The lion cap badge was cancelled on 27 February 1960 for the SD cap, in 1946 for the field service cap and the beret.

Rgds,
fougasse1940.

[blackpowder44]

Isnt it marvelous, I have had these badges for about 25 years. The only thing I knew about them was that they were Dutch. Put them up on here and a flood of information comes in. Collectors now have access to so many other collectors and their knowledge, which is freely given. Brilliant, thanks to all. John.