Post War Royal Canadian Corps of Signals Badges

[wright241]

Just want to share these pictures with you Canadians.
This is a follow up to me finally receiving an ex-LtCol's
Mess dress (complete with red striped trousers) + cap,
No1 dress (jacket only) and cap and his BD top + lanyard
+ tassled red sash.
Whats nice about them all is that the jackets are complete
with the badges.
Have enclosed pics of his mess dress bullion para badge and
silver gilt and enamel collars (Gaunt), his No1 dress bronze
collars (Scully) and one of the Royal Canadian Signals cloth
shoulder titles with (above) the CANADA title.
I have his name and if anyone wants some more pics - I am
happy to oblige - within reason - can't spend all day taking
photo's.....
Not sure whether this colour's will come out ok but the
background to all 3 para badges is a dark green.

Trivia: the No1 uniform came from a London tailor - with Scully collars
and the Mess dress came from a Winnipeg with Gaunt collars.

Haven't checked the backs of either of the cap badges.
Research is ongoing.

[Bill A]

Nice acquisition. Is there any formation patching on the BD? Image of such if it is there?
Thanks.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Bill A

Nice acquisition. Is there any formation patching on the BD? Image of such if it is there?
Thanks.

Bill,
Nothing on the BD arm at all - and I have had a real good look inside
the arm as well and there is absolutely no sign of any stitching, marks or
otherwise. The pouch belt itself is there - gold bullion thread with a red
leather backing - not sure of the significance of this except that the
blues dress trousers have the red stripe down the side.

Once i have got around to the OSD and dress cap badges I'll post them.
Might take one of the soft top cap as well - it looks good with the "2 way
stretch".
All the best. david

[Bill A]

Thanks David. The embroidered shoulder title looks a bit taller than the usual issue. Could you measure the height of the letters.
The RCCS adopted the fully spelled out pattern shoulder title very late in WW2. This may be a late WW2 issue or early post war issue title.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Bill A

Thanks David. The embroidered shoulder title looks a bit taller than the usual issue. Could you measure the height of the letters.
The RCCS adopted the fully spelled out pattern shoulder title very late in WW2. This may be a late WW2 issue or early post war issue title.

Bill,
The S is 8.4mm high.
Just gone through the pockets and found a S/G/E collar that has obviously
been damaged as the lugs are broken off. Its the left hand one - as you look
at the jacket from the front. Is this of any use to you. Its marked Scully
- but has a non-voided crown - whereas the fitted collar crowns are
voided.... ?? david

[Joe C]

Originally Posted by Bill A

... The RCCS adopted the fully spelled out pattern shoulder title very late in WW2. ...

Bill, I saw this same statement in the Canadian Badge Index reference the full title shoulder and had meant to ask you about it. I am curious as to the basis of the statement and any material to support it. I say this because the date I have for the full title shoulders is 1948-54. The dates are those found at the Museum in Kingston but I have found some proof that seems to support the 1948 start. CAO 84-1, issued in G.O.s on 23 Jun 47 I believe, speaks to shoulder titles in full. While not spelled out explicitly it does seem to indicate that full titles were 'new'. The copy I have, a copy of a copy in the archives, has a covering memo dated 6 Aug 47 addressed to the respective Director of each corps. In this memo it states that, to proceed with provisioning, that each corps "elect its shoulder title and submit a sample or drawing" so that authorization could be sought. Again, to me this strongly supports that in late 47 the full shoulder titles were just being planned out and that a 1948 introduction date is probable. Not to say none exists but I have yet to see any photographic evidence of these badges being worn during the war. Any light you could shed on this would be well appreciated.

***Correction: In this post I'm talking about the full words shoulder title on two lines while I believe Bill that you were referring to the one line style. I got mixed up with the 'words in full' description you used as that is how I personally refer to the two line variety. Please excuse this confusion. So, the above dates/info are still relevant but are about the badge listed as "Canadian Army Pacific Force pattern" in this site's Canadian Badge Index. If there is any information to support a pre 1948 date I'd still be interested.

[Joe C]

Originally Posted by Bill A

... This may be a late WW2 issue or early post war issue title.

The information I have indicates that this style of shoulder title (shortened name but spelled out in full on one line) was introduced in 1954/55 and was worn up until integration. I'd be very interested in any information that indicates it was introduced prior to that.

David, if possible I'd love to have a photo of the shoulder title laying as flat as possible and in a larger size/higher quality.... And of course your permission to use the photo for my website. As Bill says, it doesn't look like the 'usual' variety and I can't say I've seen its like before.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Joe C

This style of shoulder title was introduced in 1954/55 and was worn up until integration.

David, if possible I'd love to have a photo of the shoulder title laying as flat as possible and in a larger size/higher quality.... And of course your permission to use the photo for my website. As Bill says, it doesn't look like the 'usual' variety and I can't say I've seen its like before.

I am off out now but will do it on my return. I do not want to remove the
title from sleeve but can do a hi-res shot of it as flat as possible. I'll post
the restricted one on the forum later and email you the "bigger picture" version. Nice to know that this uniform is helping you guys solve something.
Give me about 2 hours. I assume that the CANADA metals titles on his
No1 dress can't help tie this down any closer. If you want these as well
let me know soonest and I will do them all at the same time.
david