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Old 09-05-19, 08:16 PM
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David,
I have a decent set of these, but I may have overlooked the button.
Can you let me know if it is in a News-Letter or in a Docu-File?
What is the number of the issue?
If it is a Docu-File can you put a scan of the top inch of the sheet on the forum?
(I'll explain later, because it is quite complicated)
regards,

It's Newsletter No.121. Twelve Australian Army buttons are identified.


David.
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Old 09-05-19, 09:17 PM
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It's Newsletter No.121. Twelve Australian Army buttons are identified.


David.
Found it, thank you.
Newsletter issues are mostly identical. Docufiles have upto 5 versions.

It is a contribution by an Australian collector.
The button is very high quality and cost almost twice as much as ordinary officer's regimental buttons
(Firmin's 1934: Officer's dead or indented gilt: 6/- per dozen. Bright gilt, plated or bronzed buttons: 3/6 per dozen)

I agree: it needs confirmation.
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Old 09-05-19, 10:01 PM
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I think the black JMT button might be the bus operator Jersey Motor Transport.
The button from the Jersey Motor Transport Company Ltd was an anodised version of the brass button used by the Jersey Railway and Tramway Company Ltd.
This button was gilded brass with the Arms of Jersey on it.

The JMT one shown was not used in Jersey
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Old 09-05-19, 10:46 PM
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The button from the Jersey Motor Transport Company Ltd was an anodised version of the brass button used by the Jersey Railway and Tramway Company Ltd.
This button was gilded brass with the Arms of Jersey on it.

The JMT one shown was not used in Jersey
Thank you, back to square one!!. I do like your Channel Islands site, very interesting.
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Old 10-05-19, 06:31 PM
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No.21, mess dress, crossed axes. I have one of these & until it's identified I have put it with my pre-1947 Indian Army section as some of the pioneer regiments had crossed axes on their tunic buttons.

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Old 10-05-19, 08:26 PM
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The button from the Jersey Motor Transport Company Ltd was an anodised version of the brass button used by the Jersey Railway and Tramway Company Ltd.
This button was gilded brass with the Arms of Jersey on it.

The JMT one shown was not used in Jersey
Hi jermil,
I found a note that a button named Jersey Motor Transport was sold on e-bay in 2012. It was white metal, had script letters J.M.T., a plain background and no rim.
B/M was Wm. Dowler & Sons Ltd, Birmm.

An "inspector" button is for uniformed staff typically found in transport companies.

JMT was launched in 1923 and purchased by the Jersey Railway and Tramway company in 1928. It makes sense to use the JR&T coat of arms buttons. The railway disappeared in 1937.

I have searched lots of public transport sites today. All come up with JMT being Jersey Motor Transport. I have not searched abroad.

I think it is very hard to prove "never been worn".
I am holding on to Jersey Motor Transport, tentative dates 1923-1928. It will be difficult to prove, so I am adding 'to be confirmed'.

Thank you all for your contributions.
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Old 10-05-19, 08:28 PM
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No.21, mess dress, crossed axes. I have one of these & until it's identified I have put it with my pre-1947 Indian Army section as some of the pioneer regiments had crossed axes on their tunic buttons.

David.
It is a very good suggestion and I am going to move mine to the Indian Army section as well. Thank you again.
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Old 10-05-19, 09:05 PM
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Another 5 unknown buttons:

97. a crossbow and a dog, silver plated 19 mm, no backmark
98. letters C.A. and 2 leopards, gilt 17 mm; Gaunt, London; is it Channel Airways?
100. a coat of arms and a crest, gilt 15 mm; no backmark; this design is in the Ipswich sample books with ballpoint written number and no name.
101. another dragon killed, gilt 20 mm, b/m extra quality; text: The Lord is our Strength
103. crest with otter and letter A.; gilt 23 mm, backmark Kenning, Glasgow
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Hi jermil,
I found a note that a button named Jersey Motor Transport was sold on e-bay in 2012. It was white metal, had script letters J.M.T., a plain background and no rim.
B/M was Wm. Dowler & Sons Ltd, Birmm.

An "inspector" button is for uniformed staff typically found in transport companies.

JMT was launched in 1923 and purchased by the Jersey Railway and Tramway company in 1928. It makes sense to use the JR&T coat of arms buttons. The railway disappeared in 1937.

I have searched lots of public transport sites today. All come up with JMT being Jersey Motor Transport. I have not searched abroad.

I think it is very hard to prove "never been worn".
I am holding on to Jersey Motor Transport, tentative dates 1923-1928. It will be difficult to prove, so I am adding 'to be confirmed'.

Thank you all for your contributions.
Hi BTNS,
You may want to consider Johannesburg Municipal Tramways or Johannesburg Municipal Transport for your JMT button.
I have examples in white metal as you describe, Script letters JMT with back marks,
1. Wm Dowler & Sons Ltd Birmingham
2. * Dowler * Birmingham
3. Special Quality
4. Metal Art Pretoria

So I suspect the seller on Ebay may have got the original ID wrong and the JMT button is Johannesburg Municipal Tramways (In existence from 1906 to 1961).
Cannot say when the style of button was adopted but definitely worn to 1961 and maybe slightly beyond.

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Old 11-05-19, 05:50 AM
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Hi jermil,
I found a note that a button named Jersey Motor Transport was sold on e-bay in 2012. It was white metal, had script letters J.M.T., a plain background and no rim.
B/M was Wm. Dowler & Sons Ltd, Birmm.

An "inspector" button is for uniformed staff typically found in transport companies.

JMT was launched in 1923 and purchased by the Jersey Railway and Tramway company in 1928. It makes sense to use the JR&T coat of arms buttons. The railway disappeared in 1937.

I have searched lots of public transport sites today. All come up with JMT being Jersey Motor Transport. I have not searched abroad.

I think it is very hard to prove "never been worn".
I am holding on to Jersey Motor Transport, tentative dates 1923-1928. It will be difficult to prove, so I am adding 'to be confirmed'.

Thank you all for your contributions.
As you wish, but I used to have a uniform from the JMT and knew many drivers and conductors all of whom only ever wore the brass or anodised buttons!
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Old 11-05-19, 03:03 PM
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As you wish, but I used to have a uniform from the JMT and knew many drivers and conductors all of whom only ever wore the brass or anodised buttons!
Hi Jermil,
I concur as the button with script letters JMT is indeed Johannesburg Municipal Transport. Confirmation is in the IUCC documentation. The club had quite a few prominent South African members.
It means The e-bay seller got it wrong in 2012 and so did I.
The JMT inspector button goes to South Africa as well.
Thank you and best regards,
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Old 11-05-19, 04:06 PM
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5 more unidentified buttons:

105. a unicorn rampant, chrome 23 & 15 mm, Dowler, Birmingham
106. a lion rampant, gilt 21.5 mm, one-piece, no backmark
114. letters D.A.C., Nickle 16 mm, no backmark
116. monogram W.H., gilt 25 mm; Pitt & Co, 31 Maddox St. London
119. lion atop QVC and garter star, black horn 22 mm, no backmark
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I found a note that a button named Jersey Motor Transport was sold on e-bay in 2012. It was white metal, had script letters J.M.T., a plain background and no rim. B/M was Wm. Dowler & Sons Ltd, Birmm.
Btns

I wonder if that JMT in script button was like the button below, which I am told is a Johannesburg Municipal Transport button.

Wayne

IMG_20190511_174923 by Wayne, on Flickr
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Old 11-05-19, 05:08 PM
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Btns

I wonder if that JMT in script button was like the button below, which I am told is a Johannesburg Municipal Transport button.

Wayne

IMG_20190511_174923 by Wayne, on Flickr
Yes, it is identical to your button and to the sketch I found in the IUCC's documents. It is now clear to me that it was a Johannesburg Municipal Transport.
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Old 14-05-19, 06:41 AM
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Here are five more unidentified designs

134. letters N.D.S. in any order, gilt 23 mm; Gaunt, London
136. letters C.L.R.P., chrome 23 mm, no backmark
143. QVC over monogram C.P.C., size ??, backmark: Best Quality, G. & S.
150. QVC and letters U P? C., mounted 15 mm, no backmark
151. prince's coronet and plumes, but no scroll Ich Dien, gilt 20 mm, silver plated 23 mm; backmark Extra Treble Gilt, Standd
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