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Old 22-08-18, 01:37 PM
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Default 'CUT & SHUT' AYRSHIRE

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Earl-...d=352429648133

I might be wrong but the solid cast scroll has been added to a die struck main body. 'Cut and shut' in the used car world!
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Old 22-08-18, 06:28 PM
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Not a seller with a great reputation, and as a result, not one that I would bother to look at.


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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Earl-...d=352429648133

I might be wrong but the solid cast scroll has been added to a die struck main body. 'Cut and shut' in the used car world!
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Old 24-08-18, 11:25 AM
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This thread shows a genuine 1915 badge which is fully die struck and has the 1st pattern feathers.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=ayrshire

The badge on ebay has the later pattern feather arrangement seen on the scrolled version badges. The most easily identifiable difference is in the large gap between the largest first and second feathers in the centre. The later version is much less pronounced.

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Old 24-08-18, 03:30 PM
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Old 13-10-18, 10:18 AM
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I recently picked this one up. Same 2 part construction but this time with a lead solder. It has considerable polish to the front.

If this design dates from 1915 then it would not have been procured by the Army Clothing department at that time as they did not equip the yeomanry with their badges until 1916. Even then they did not issue all the regtl designs.

I believe that the Ayrshire yeomanry wore peaked caps in 1915 so the badge would have been issued with a slider if it was a sealed pattern - this one is clearly not.
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Old 13-10-18, 10:21 AM
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For reference this is a picture of the Ayrshire IY badge which was worn into WW1 which shows the differences in design. It has been suggested that the 1915 badge is a regtl modification. However the design is not that of the IY badge so it is not a regtl modification but a different die.
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Old 06-01-19, 05:47 PM
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I recently re-read Gaylor's book who states that the badge was designed cicrca 1916 when the regt was in the Middle East by a SSM White.

The 1/1st Bn departed UK in Oct 15 wearing the IY badge. (see photo).

The second photo is the regtly designed badge worn by a member of 2/1st Bn who were in UK. The wing tips and voids match the 2nd pattern badge.
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Old 06-01-19, 06:31 PM
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I had not realised that like several yeomanry regts, the 1st/1st were badged to the regular battalions in 1917. In their case, they became part of a RSF battalion.
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Old 21-09-19, 06:33 PM
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This badge had a short life as the 12th Bn RSF was made up of the dismounted Yeomanry units of the Ayr Yeo and Lanarkshire Yeo from Jan 17. Photos of the Bn's soldiers in 1918 all show the RSF cap badge worn on the infantry bonnet.

The Ayrshire Yeomanry's 2nd Bn was converted to Cyclists in Jul 16.

The 3rd Bn were sent to RSF.
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