Glamorgan Yeomanry

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Garry,
The example in your first photo is a really nice badge, someone had not done a very good job with that die!
Regards Frank

[41st]

Hi Garry,

Your 1st example is in fact a post 1908 example, it's just that the centre scroll has hardly been erased at all. I think that if you look closely you'll find that there has been no attempt to erase the word Imperial from the actual badge itself, rather this has been attempted, albeit poorly, on the die. Have a look at my example in post 13 above. Badge 5 refers.

I have seen a number like this i.e. only very partially erased, with examples varying to fully erased or even just leaving a hint of the previous title.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[Rockape]

Kevin,

I agree with your observation on a die modification rather than by a user. However, the badge details are very similar to the 1903 version you have shown. Isn't it just a case of altering the die of the 1903 badge as an interim measure instead of buying new stocks? It wouldn't make economic sense to purchase the Lambourne badge at the same time this was worn but would make sense to buy later in 1908 to once and for all delete the word imperial. I suppose official records should tell us, but I don't have access to those.

[Frank Kelley]

Gentlemen,
Some very nice badges shown between you both, I have not actually seen a good badge to the Glamorgan Yeomanry for some time now at the few fairs I manage to get go to, lots of nasty copies though, here is one with the altered die, the letter "L" is still discernible.

[41st]

Garry,

I should have made this clear that it is generally accepted that the existing die was altered on the 1903 pattern badge by partially erasing the word "Imperial" to produce the 1908 variant.

This what I was referring to when I said:-
"After conversion to Territorial Yeomanry in 1908 the badges are found with partially erased central motto scrolls as shown in 5 & 6 below."

As to when the Lambourne version came in I do not know. I had always assumed that as they are of a markedly lower quality that they are 1st WW period just to get numbers out quickly. Someone on the forum may have researched them to advise on this.

QUOTE=Rockape;250652]Kevin,

I agree with your observation on a die modification rather than by a user. However, the badge details are very similar to the 1903 version you have shown. Isn't it just a case of altering the die of the 1903 badge as an interim measure instead of buying new stocks? It wouldn't make economic sense to purchase the Lambourne badge at the same time this was worn but would make sense to buy later in 1908 to once and for all delete the word imperial. I suppose official records should tell us, but I don't have access to those.[/QUOTE]

[41st]

Glam Yeo album updated for those who may be interested.
Link here:-
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...hp?albumid=197

[BROOKIES]

Kevin.

Just to add to the feed, the oldman said that most of the badges with the removed Imperial were just hammered out as Cosllett and his farriers were tasked to do it.

Ta

[41st]

Up late Jonathan!
Could you expand on who Cosllett was, I presume he was the QM.
This doesn't explain those examples where you can clearly see an effort at seeding over the partially struck out letters though.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[41st]

I meant to get around to this before, but forgot.

Here is a direct comparison between the 1903 pattern badge and the common copy. As can be clearly seen there is not much in common between them.

If you then compare the 1922 pattern with a modern copy (photos 2 & 3, 2 being not fully struck out but genuine none the less) one can easily tell where the pattern has been lifted from for the copy presented as the earlier 1903 badge. Harder to tell the difference with the 1922 pattern badge and the copies but just look for the depth and style of the plumes as well as the ornamentation on the centre of the title scroll.

I will not go into the reverse details for obvious reasons.

Hwyl,
Kevin

[41st]

I've had this blackened example for some time but have not seen any evidence of blackened badges being worn until now. The PPC is of 1997 Pte W R Thomas of the 1st Glamorgan Yeomanry and then 320820 24th Welch. Nice and local to me from Tyny Berllan Farm, Llanedarne (sic). A farmer's son from just around the corner to my children's current school.