Denbighshire Hussars

[Bantam]

Hi Alan,
I thought like you at first the badge would have been darker and that is why I refered to getting the books out in my posting.I refer to page 214 of Bryn Owens Book,Anglesey and Caernafonshire.The History of the Welsh Militia and Volunteer Corps.
Bantam

[Alan O]

OK that beats anything I have. Playing the Welsh specialist tome trumps any book in my libary! I don't suppose you could scan the relevent page and email it to me for my refernce collection? PofWales plume badges are always tricky to get right.

many thanks

Alan

[Bantam]

Alan,
I will certainly try to e-mail it if you Pm me with your e-mail or can we do it through the forums PM ?As you say with Prince of Wales Badge i.d. is always going to be difficult and funnily enough I thought this might happen.Lets see what some of the others have to say.Come on 41st
Regards
Bantam

[Bantam]

Alan,
Two observations .The page I referred to by Bryn Owen as already been posted on page 6 of this thread by 8thfoot but it is not very clear.I also saw somewhere on the forum a photo of a Scottish Regiment complete with their kilts pre WW2 taken on The Gower,Swansea.So being in Llandudno is no guarantee to him being Denbighshire Hussars.
Regards,
Bantam

[Peter Brydon]

Just a thought but if anyone has the booklet on the Imperial Yeomany Long Service and Good Conduct medal by JMA Tamplin ( I regret that I do not ) it might be possible to suggest a few names as who this soldier might be.

P.B.

[signalman]

you are thinking along the same lines as me,but one thing worries me as to imp yeo medal.the medal riband.i cant work out what colour it is,or if there is a central stripe,thus as you know opening one or two other possibilities! point taken also regards the studio.it would be interesting to know if records exist as to locations of the wiltshire yeo annual camps.anyway thanks for input 8th foot. phil.

[Alan O]

Bantam,

Thanks for the pictures. It would indeed seem that the pre 1908 badge was indeed identical to the Wilts yeo (is this why there is glaring ommission in K&K Vol 1 as to the DIY?). I can only presume that the bi-metal badge was retained post 1908 on Blues et al but the regt adopted the bronze one shown in Gaylor and K&K for wear on khaki. Thinking about it this is quite understandable as Bz would look rubbish on the hat shown in the picture.
That is certainly someting I have learnt today.

I take your point about the location but I wold be amazed if the Wilts Yeo had a summer camp in NWales when the Plain was next door. It would be a huge coincidence considering the proximity of the DH.
Many thanks

Alan

[Bantam]

Alan,
Learnt a lot this evening.Thanks to everyones contributions and perhaps we will all still be surprised ?
Regards,
Bantam

[Peter Brydon]

The medal appears to have a single colour ribbon which would be right for the Imperial Yeomanry Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and although it looks darker than yellow I dont know what else it could be.

It appears to have the head of Edward 7th on it which would be right for the medal. I wonder how many were awarded to the DHIY between 1904 and 1908 ?

P.B.

[Rockape]

I'm erring to Denbighshire on this one. I tried looking through Books by Smith, R.,J., and Harris, R., G., The Uniforms of the British yeomanry Force 1794-1914Yeomanry, 1988, but they they don't have any photos of the Wiltshire Yeo either. Howerever, their description of the headdress is the normal staff pattern forage cap, blue with a scarlet band and piping. I cannot see any piping on the trooper photograph.

As far as location is concerned, Llundudno was and still is a major tourist attraction for lots of people. All sorts of people would have visited the lovely seaside town and had their photos taken. For this reason, I believe we should not look at where the photo was taken but concentrate on the identifiable features of the uniform.

The Flintshire records office makes no mention of the unit being earmarked for the Imperial Yeomanry and they never served in South Africa during the second Boer war. Therefore, we could assume that K&K would not list a badge under that section. It still begs the question though, why no author has compared the Wilts and Denbigh badge of this era as they are very similar.

Just some thoughts,

Garry

[41st]

Garry - The Denbighshire did serve in South Africa as part of the 29th Company 9th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry. Indeed the Colonel of the 9th Battalion was H.L.Howard of the Denbighshire Hussars. Reference "The Hitorical Records of The Yeomanry & Volunteers of Montgomeryshire 1803-1908"-Williams Wynn and Freeman 1909.
I tend to think the gentleman concerned is a Denbighshire man. We all tend to stick with the K&K reference to the badge being only in bronze, but Owen's book quite clearly states on page 214 that the sealed pattern badges are bimetal as at 1901/2. Plus the collars on the photo are identical to those shown on a trooper with a bush hat on page 213.
Sadly the Denbighshire are the only Welsh yeomanry unit I don't have any specific reference books on apart from Bryn Owen's .
Bantam - look at page 182 of Bryn's book. Glamorgan or Caernarvon?
Hwyl
Kevin

[Alan O]

Kevin.

Excuse my ignorance but did the Wilts yeo have chain mail shoulder pieces as Lancers?

I would add the K&K only mention the DH (ie post 1908) which is presumably the khaki dress badge and is noticeably absent about the DHIY who presumably were wearing the all brass version (or bi-metal depending on which page of Owen's book you are reading).

Alan

[41st]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

Kevin.

Excuse my ignorance but did the Wilts yeo have chain mail shoulder pieces as Lancers?

I would add the K&K only mention the DH (ie post 1908) which is presumably the khaki dress badge and is noticeably absent about the DHIY who presumably were wearing the all brass version (or bi-metal depending on which page of Owen's book you are reading).

Alan

Alan,
Sorry I don't have any information on the Wilts Yeo as I research and collect Welsh units only. However, I do agree with your comment re. K&K and Bryn's book can be a little confusing to say the least e.g if you look at the badge on p.215 the text infers an Officer pattern and yet it has a slider.
An area which needs looking into I feel.
Regards,
Kevin

[signalman]

thanks for all the imput.one thing i have learnt about militaria over the years is nothing seem to be set in stone.what was worn was not always as the good books say,especially in yeomanry mobs[i was in one].there were 19 I.Y.lsgc. awarded to the D.Y. if our man is a D.Y. it can be narrowed down to ten men. any way again thanks to all,a cracking debate. phil.

[Pablo]

Hi,

Might anyone be able to advise if the soldier featured within the two attached photos is from the Denbighshire Hussars? As can be seen the second photo, which we think would appear to be the same person is clearly some form of dress uniform. Can any confirm that this is the uniform of the denbighshire Hussars please?

The photos came from my Great grandmother's photo album so he's presumably a member of the family. The family are from Liverpool.

Regards

Paul