cadets?

[Alan O]

Now that it what I call a super post that both challenges accepted opinion with a great piece of factual evidence. Well done.

[ncc]

Originally Posted by conijoni

Gentlemen. These cadet collar badges were worn by the London Diocesan Church Lads Brigade. They came in two sizes, larger for officers and smaller for lads. The LDCLB introduced them in 1915 in place of collar badges showing the arms of the London Diocese. The LDCLB had been recognised as a Cadet Force in 1911. The LDCLB was a separate brigade from the national Church Lads Brigade, although they did amalgamate in November 1919. Johnny Conn

thanks for the suberb answer to my question.
as they amalgamated in 1919 they must be scarce.
would the ones shown on buywyze be officers in gilt?
Bob

[conijoni]

I would not class them as rare, but they are certainly hard to come by. They should have a gilt finish. The ones for sale are a good pair but I would not pay £85 for them. I think £50/£60 would make more sense. I am posting a picture of both sizes. Johnny Conn

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by ncc

anyone know which cadets.
Bob

Bob,
I still think this is a copy.... even moreso since it is seems they should be gilt! Any chance of a photo of the rear?

Andy

[conijoni]

I have not seen copies of this Cadets badge in my years of collecting, and have seen this badge in various finishes from high quality shiny brass, a slightly lesser quality shiny brass, to a gilt finish. There are also variations in the little motifs on either side of the word Cadets. I do not believe your badge is a copy. I have stated that the badge was worn by the London Diocesan Church Lads Brigade, which it was, and although I have not seen any evidence of this, it may be that it was worn by other Cadets.

[conijoni]

A picture of lads with an officer circa 1919. Also a picture of a pair of the smaller (lads) badges.

[conijoni]

Just for interest - my avatar shows the CLB's War Memorial Banner in memory of the 20,000 ex CLB men who gave their lives in The Great War. I was very pleased to see that it was prominently displayed during the Battle of Britain Service last Sunday in Westminster Abbey.

[ncc]

thanks for the conformation of its originality,i know its not a copy.i have had it 30 years.

Bob

[2747andy]

Bob,
restrike cap badges have been around for 40 years or so (1970s).. so having it for 30 years means nothing! All I wanted to see was a picture of the back... As many will know the rear and fittings reveal a lot about a badge! Could I PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE see a photo of the back?

Many thanks

Andy

[ncc]

i was ignoring your post because of your arrogance shown in declaring a badge you did not know of and probably haven't seen before a fake.
having made a living from selling badges for the last 37 years i can reliably state that nobody was restiking collar badges 30 years ago and very few are restruck today.
Bob

[2747andy]

Bob,
well that's the first time I've been called arrogant on this site! You were the one who posted a photo and so in my opinion that makes it fair to ask questions or request more information! I try to help as many people as I can on here, sometimes with some tongue in cheek humour, but never intentionally "ARROGANT"? There are two sides to every story and the rear of a badge often tells more than the front! But you must know that "having made a living from selling badges for the last 37 years"..

If you had shown the back then perhaps I would have been able to comment further..

Since you are ignoring me, that must make you an ignorant type of person? Which is a shame as I only wanted to see the back?

Best regards

Andy

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by conijoni

A picture of lads with an officer circa 1919. Also a picture of a pair of the smaller (lads) badges.

Great picture, thanks for posting. Could you confirm if the London Diocese CLB were completely independent from the KRRC CLB, just so I know whether or not to search out their badges?

Cheers

[conijoni]

That's a good question! The national CLB were affiliated to the KRRC from 1917 on. The LDCLB amalgamated with the national CLB in 1919. So you would think that the answer was Yes. However, I am not very sure about this, as the LDCLB retained a degree of independence even though amalgamated. It is my impression that the LDCLB - now referred to as the Church Lads Brigade, London Division - did not have a close link with the KRRC. If you refer to the 1922 Cadet List the national CLB Battalions are clearly identified with the KRRC. The LDCLB are not. Sorry I cannot be more definitive. Johnny Conn

[Alan O]

Another nice picture of this one.