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Old 14-01-09, 08:48 PM
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I have been trying to identify the badge worn by Capt. Erickson,Lt. Sayer and Lt. Ripley former members of SOE in Burma, according to the caption. Lt Elliott is wearing what I would say is a tiger on a two-coloured patch (Indian Command of some kind). Note that Sgt. Carroll is the only one wearing Canadian wings and an American wing on his (maroon?) beret. Finally,Lt.Sayer and WO1 Cato (cap badge?) are wearing the Supreme Allied Command South East Asia patch on their right sleeve.
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Old 14-10-09, 11:02 AM
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Hello Voltigeur,

The shoulder flash is a tiger on a red and white background as worn in the picture is the 34th Indian Corps. Force 136 (SOE) was resulting under this corps.
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Thank you very much Alex for your help. It clears some of the mystery of this photograph.
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[QUOTE=Voltigeur;30513]I have been trying to identify the cap badges worn by Capt. Erickson,Lt. Sayer and Lt. Ripley former members of SOE in Burma, according to the caption. Lt Elliott is wearing what I would say is a tiger on a two-coloured patch (Indian Command of some kind). Note that Sgt. Carroll is the only one wearing Canadian wings and an American wing on his (maroon?) beret. Finally,Lt.Sayer and WO1 Cato (cap badge?) are wearing the Supreme Allied Command South East Asia patch on their right sleeve.
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I have been trying to identify the badge worn by Capt. Erickson,Lt. Sayer and Lt. Ripley former members of SOE in Burma, according to the caption.
Jo, the badges on the service caps look like Canadian Intelligence Corps to me. Can't make out the one on the WO I's cap. Is a larger version of the photo available, and can you identify all six of the persons in the photo?

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This is the description by Library and Archives Canada.

Six members of the Special Operations Executive (British Army), returning from duty in Burma and Southeast Asia aboard H.M.T. QUEEN ELIZABETH, New York, New York, United States, 20 February 1946.

(L-R): Lieutenant S.R. Elliott, Captain A.G. Erickson, Lieutenant J.F. Sayer, Sergeant G.W. Carroll (M.B.E.), Lieutenant E.J. Ripley, Warrant Officer First Class (WO1) S.A. Cato.
Sgt.G.W.Carroll might be Canadian as he is wearing canadian airborne wings.......Also,Lt.Elliott might be wearing a Canada title....
Can't get a larger version of this photograph.
BTW,none of these officers and NCOs are in the CD ROM Courage And Service, Second World War Awards to Canadians (with Hugh Halliday). Service Publications,2004.

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This is the description by Library and Archives Canada.

Six members of the Special Operations Executive (British Army), returning from duty in Burma and Southeast Asia aboard H.M.T. QUEEN ELIZABETH, New York, New York, United States, 20 February 1946.

(L-R):Lieutenant S.R. Elliott... Also, Lt. Elliott might be wearing a Canada title....
Lt S.R. Elliott profile.jpgI know where I've seen the name before. After he retired, S.R. Elliot (note one "T" not two) wrote the history of the Canadian Intelligence Corps Scarlet to Green (1981). His bio from the book:

"Major Stuart Robert (Bob) Elliot (1922-2015) enlisted in the Royal Canadian Artillery in 1942 before later transferring to the Canadian Intelligence Corps. After completing Japanese language training, he served in the South East Asia Command in India, Malaya and Java (Indonesia). Obtaining a Bachelor of Commerce degree from the University of British Columbia in 1948, his professional career subsequently included joining the Defence Research Board from 1949-52, serving as an intelligence officer in the Canadian Army from 1952-1972 and working as the Information Officer for the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies, where he was responsible for The Military Balance, until his retirement in 1987. For over 15 years, he intensively researched and wrote the first edition of Scarlet to Green (pub. 1981) in support of the Canadian Military Intelligence Association’s History Project."

I'll be at the RCMI this week and hopefully will have a chance to look up the remaining officers on the Army List.

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Many many thanks for your help in ID'ing this canadian officer.It is appreciated.
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I have been trying to identify the badge worn by Capt. Erickson, Lt. Sayer and Lt. Ripley former members of SOE in Burma, according to the caption. Lt Elliott is wearing what I would say is a tiger on a two-coloured patch (Indian Command of some kind). Finally, Lt. Sayer and WO1 Cato are wearing the Supreme Allied Command South East Asia patch on their right sleeve.
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The shoulder flash is a tiger on a red and white background as worn in the picture is the 34th Indian Corps. Force 136 (SOE) was resulting under this corps.
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Jo, the badges on the service caps look like Canadian Intelligence Corps to me.
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Six members of the Special Operations Executive (British Army), returning from duty in Burma and Southeast Asia aboard H.M.T. QUEEN ELIZABETH, New York, New York, United States, 20 February 1946.

(L-R): Lieutenant S.R. Elliott, Captain A.G. Erickson, Lieutenant J.F. Sayer, Sergeant G.W. Carroll (M.B.E.), Lieutenant E.J. Ripley, Warrant Officer First Class (WO1) S.A. Cato.

BTW,none of these officers and NCOs are in the CD ROM Courage And Service, Second World War Awards to Canadians (with Hugh Halliday). Service Publications,2004.

I've been able to identify two other soldiers in the photograph, both are Canadian. Along with Lt. Elliot, Lt. Ed Ripley and WO I A.S. (Tony) Kato (with a "K") were graduates of the Canadian Army's S20 Japanese Language School in Vancouver and members of the Canadian Intelligence Corps. Kato was an instructor at the School.

In 1944, three graduates of the School, including Kato, were sent to S.E. Asia to work in the Psychological Warfare Division of Force 136. Kato was a WO II at the time, and was promoted to WO I in theatre. Apparently he refused a commission.

During 1945 approximately 50 more members of the CIC of all ranks who were graduates of the School were sent, including Elliot and Ripley. They also became members of the Psychological Warfare Division of Force 136. Ed Ripley went to Saigon via Kandy, and Elliot went to Batavia (now Djakarta). Post-war, their duties included printing articles and making radio broadcasts to keep the Japanese POW's awaiting repatriation in line.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that all six soldiers in the photograph are Canadian, and that Capt. Erickson and Lt. Sayer are also both CIC. Sgt. Carroll (M.B.E.) may not have been found on Courage and Service because his name was misspelled. Elliot and Kato's names were incorrect in the photo's caption.

Cheers,
Dan.
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Old 13-09-18, 03:11 PM
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Great piece of detective work Dan.It is a pity that those officers are not better known and that their work with Force 136 is mostly forgotten.
Again many thanks.
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