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Old 25-09-16, 01:01 PM
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Default Recruiting Sergeant - Rosette?

I was watching this short Pathé film 'British Recruits Joining Up (1914-1918)' and noticed the recruiting sergeant (if that's what he is) in the opening scene, has what appears to be some sort of rosette on the left side of his cap. Any ideas what this might be?

Looks as though the footage was taken in Leeds City Square - statue of the Black Prince, in the background?

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Old 25-09-16, 01:40 PM
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Hi JT

Yes, you are right. Recruiting Sgt's at least up to WW1 did sometimes wear a rosette. Either behind the cap badge or pinned to the cap or tunic.

Does look a bit like central Leeds.

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Old 25-09-16, 01:54 PM
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Hi JT

Yes, you are right. Recruiting Sgt's at least up to WW1 did sometimes wear a rosette. Either behind the cap badge or pinned to the tunic.

Does look a bit like central Leeds.

David
Thanks David.

Not seen one of those rosettes before. Were they all the same or did they differ from each other in certain ways; Army/Navy, regiment/corps etc?

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I think they differed, the few examples I've seen have been white but of different patterns. They may well have come in other colours also. Something like that might have been sourced locally.. Probably not many have survived.

David

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Old 25-09-16, 02:14 PM
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I think they differed, the few examples I've seen have been white but of different patterns. They may well have come in other colours also Something like that might have been sourced locally.. Probably not many have survived.

David


Just read this interesting thread on the VWF:

http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtop...&t=7614#p33649
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Old 25-09-16, 02:33 PM
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The rosettes no doubt originated with the ribbons.

DWR Recruiting Sgt's, or I should say 33rd Foot - early 1800's - used to wear ribbons on their headdress. They also carried a sword with a ribboned havercake on the tip. Hence one of the regt nicknames - "The Havercake Lads".

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Old 25-09-16, 05:44 PM
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and the RN matelots prettied up their clothes [hardly "uniform"] with ribbons before stepping ashore. Captains vied with each other for the smartest boat crews too.
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Hi JT,

Not sure if relevant, but I have this postcard with three soldiers with what look to be rosettes in the left side of their caps.

Noz

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Old 26-09-16, 07:13 AM
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Thanks Andy. Can't quite make those out too clearly, I'm afraid. Evidently not recruiting sergeants though.

If the adornments worn by the chaps in your photo aren't rosettes, then I wonder if it was an embellishment particular to recruiting sergeants.

What's the cap badge of matey standing (viewer's right)... looks like Kensingtons, maybe?

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Thanks Andy. Can't quite make those out too clearly, I'm afraid. Evidently not recruiting sergeants though.

If the adornments worn by the chaps in your photo aren't rosettes, then I wonder if it was an embellishment particular to recruiting sergeants.

What's the cap badge of matey standing (viewer's right)... looks like Kensingtons, maybe?

Attachment 156636

Cheers.
Sadly the photo is a little out of focus when enlarged. Here is a link showing a close up of the Dorstshire Regiment chap.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...8&postcount=32

I will scan the chap on the right a bit later on.
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Old 26-09-16, 08:25 AM
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Sadly the photo is a little out of focus when enlarged. Here is a link showing a close up of the Dorstshire Regiment chap.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...8&postcount=32

I will scan the chap on the right a bit later on.
Thanks Nobby.

If these aren't rosettes (in the recruiting sergeant sense), I wonder if they are possibly being worn to mark the coronation of GVR? Is that something that have would been done/acceptable at the time?
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I think the soldier on the right may be a Coldstream Guard. As for their 'rosettes', they may have came from a rose bush on their journey to the photographers.
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Old 26-09-16, 02:47 PM
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Just possible Minden regiments in the same garrison or area?
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On the face of it, they do appear to be wearing some kind of flower in their caps. As to the man on the right being 13th London, I don't think so. Looks like ASC to me, or possibly Devonshire. The shoulder title is an indistinct blur......

Apologies for distracting.

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