Unknown buttons

[Sonofacqms]

I have recently made a trip to my odds and ends and found these buttons which I have failed to identify. Sorry about item 4, it's upside down . . !

All help and views appreciated.

Regards Rob

[Rob Miller]

Hi Rob

Is number 1 the Burma Rifles?

Rob

[Cribyn]

Hello Rob

Your second button is 8th Regiment Bombay Infantry c.1861-1901.

Regards
Roger

[Cribyn]

Hello again

Fourth button is a British Indian Police button, North-West Province Police, pre 1902.

I think the first button is a little too heraldic to be military, more likely a livery button. The third also looks to be livery/company logo style rather than military.

Regards
Roger

[GTB]

I agree that 1st button may be heraldic. 4th button looks inverted.
Very nice buttons!

GTB

[Sonofacqms]

Thanks chaps for your help, Rob, I think you may be correct about being Burmese, I seem to think I have seen the design on Burmese badges.

I will have to find more unidentified items for the forum.

Rob

[Eddie Parks]

I would agree that there ids a Burmese connection with No 1 but i'd agree that it's a livery button. Theres an Earl's(?) Coronet on top and an arming cap (I think they are called) below.

Eddie

[High Wood]

I believe that it is an ermine cap rather than an arming cap. Also called a cap of maintenance It signifies an earl. There is one used as part of the Liverpool Pals cap badge as the arms of the Earl of Derby.

Your button may be that of the Francis Manners, the 6th Earl of Rutland.

http://armorial.library.utoronto.ca/ordinaries/peacock

[GriffMJ]

The first button I think is a livery button for the Earl of Rutland.... Peacock Crest.

The "MFH" button could be fox hunting related.

[4966Ian]

Hi there,

The "MFH" button is shown in Neil McShanes book "Hunt Buttons", as having possibly been for the Irish Hunt : "Lord Miltons" (circa 1897-1902).
The book shows 2 similar pattern buttons, one Silver coloured and other like yours - brass.

The following is from the book:-

"Viscount Milton (subsequently 3rd Earl Fitzwilliam) hunted country that was originally divided into the Gorey portion to the north and his own country to the south. In 1897 Viscount Milton took over the whole country and in 1902 it was renamed Earl Fitzwilliam's on his elevation"
Note: The attribution of this button to Lord Milton's is speculative.


Cheers

Ian

[btns]

MFH = May Fair Hotel
I took this ID from a card of hotel buttons on e-bay. All other identifications were correct. The original owner of the card knew what he was doing.

[High Wood]

Originally Posted by btns

MFH = May Fair Hotel
I took this ID from a card of hotel buttons on e-bay. All other identifications were correct. The original owner of the card knew what he was doing.

I think that it is a hunt button as 4966IAN has stated because of the Ducal crown.

[btns]

Originally Posted by High Wood

I think that it is a hunt button as 4966IAN has stated because of the Ducal crown.

Hotels love crowns.
One third of British hotel buttons in my records have a crown.

[High Wood]

That may be so but crowns have a specific meaning in heraldry.

[btns]

Originally Posted by High Wood

That may be so but crowns have a specific meaning in heraldry.

I agree: crowns and coronets have a specific meaning in heraldry.
However, there is more pseudo heraldry than genuine heraldry.

Which heraldic institute is going to stop a British hotel from having a coronet on their logo?

Please have a look at Tim Burt's work on mystery buttons.
He has identified two Hotel buttons.

http://www.thecsmmi.com/buttons-arti...rectory-01.htm

Now, to cut the next complaint short: I did search for the May Fair Hotel's old logo. I did not find one.
I found several other logos from the e-bay card. I accept the identification on this card I could not prove. I have kept the image, but I do not have copyright and I will not put this image on the forum.