unidentified cypher button

[GTB]

This button poses a mystery as I can't decipher the design/cypher. It is surmounted by a ducal(?) coronet and at bottom there is what appears to be a Stafford Knot.
Open-backed, heavily gilded, 16mm; 'FIRMIN. LONDON'.

Comments welcome
GTB

[Cribyn]

Hello GTB

I think the knot is a little too complicated to be a true "Stafford Knot", so there may be no connection with Stafford or Staffordshire.

Your button is clearly a livery button of some description but a quick look through a very good, searchable livery button website - https://sites.google.com/site/liverybuttonsidentified/ - failed to find it.

Regards
Roger

[magpie]

Reminds me of the centre of the Middlesex regiment badge, Duke of cambridge?

[GTB]

Thanks, Roger.
I was actually entertaining the thought that the knot may be a Lover's Knot, but discarded this as I was posting query on a militaria thread.
I am sifting through loads of buttons that I acquired over the years but did not manage to inventory all of them. I hope to get there eventually!

GTB

[GTB]

Originally Posted by magpie

Reminds me of the centre of the Middlesex regiment badge, Duke of cambridge?

Magpie, you could well be right. A lot of the characteristics can be defined.

Button is definitely 'officer' quality so it could perhaps be a Mess button??

GTB

[fougasse1940]

The 'Stafford knot' seems like stylised endings to two interlaced and reversed 'S'es.

Rgds, Thomas.