VIII Princess Louise Hussars - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Bill A · #1 04-09-09, 12:37 PM

Being a bit of a devil's advocate... but how can the collector distinguish between the 1922 GO pattern VIII Hussars cap badge, and the pre-1914 issue VIII Hussars cap badge?

jim a · #2 06-09-09, 10:16 AM

As i don't have both badges my guess would be the type of metal used. The 1922 version is guilding metal... the pre 1914 is made of?

Pylon1357 · #3 06-09-09, 10:33 AM

I do not have both either. As far as I know, I have the 1922 GO pattern. I have no idea what the pre-1914 pattern looks like.

Having said that, I would think the pre-1914 pattern would have the flat style lugs on the back or possibly tangs?

Bill A · #4 06-09-09, 11:55 AM

The two Mazeas references, the Pre-1914 book and the 1920-1950 book show the same pattern badge. The note about different metals by Jim is worth follow up. Does anyone have what they believe to be a pre-1914 example?

jim a · #5 06-09-09, 08:16 PM

I've never given this much thought before but I do have 2 examples in my collection. The first is Scully marked and is gilding metal. The second is more brassy looking and is made by Lacke Toronto. My camera is out of batteries at the moment but will post a picture later. If I was a gambler I would pick the Lacke badge as the earlier of the 2 but I wouldn't bet my life on it... Jim

jim a · #6 07-09-09, 12:10 AM

8Hussar · #7 08-09-09, 06:20 PM

Here are the two badges in question. The pre-22 badge (left) is a totally different design from the 1922 pattern (right and sorry for the shine).
Gary

Pylon1357 · #8 08-09-09, 06:56 PM

Many thanks for these 2 images 8Hussar. Certainly this photo is worth 1000 words. If I were to try and describe the pre 1922 version, they would seem quite similar, however, as you say "totally different design"

Bill A · #9 08-09-09, 07:04 PM

The mystery deepens. In the Mazeas Pre-1914 book, both of Gary's patterns are illustrated. See page 39, MC 17 and MC 18 respectively.
There was a string on the Forum about the royal garter and the removal of the garter from the badges of units who had not been granted the use of the garter in the design. The 1922 GO date is consistent with that change in the badges of other units that had to remove the garter from their badges. Is this an example of another error in the Mazeas books?

Semloh Retlaw · #10 08-09-09, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill A

Being a bit of a devil's advocate... but how can the collector distinguish between the 1922 GO pattern VIII Hussars cap badge, and the pre-1914 issue VIII Hussars cap badge?

Hi Bill
I have two variations of Princess Louise's
Cap Badge. Which is which

Walter.

Bill A · #11 08-09-09, 11:06 PM

Hi Walter, The badge on the left in your images is the badge that Mazeas indicates was approved in 1950. However, evidence indicates that this badge was actually taken into use during WW2. The badge on the right is the 1922 (or earlier) pattern.

sapper 83 · #12 05-11-11, 07:35 PM

I knowticed that the badge with the buckle in Mazeas is captioned as an officer's badge. The one without is the OR's.

Bill A · #13 05-11-11, 08:08 PM

Hi Kent, I think you are referencing the Pre-1914 book. The previous discussion was using the Maz 20-53 references.

sapper 83 · #14 06-11-11, 01:56 PM

Your right I was referencing the pre 1914 book and the badges 8 Hussars posted.

3fes

Bill A · #15 06-11-11, 02:00 PM

With reference to the Mazeas pre 1914 book, does anyone have an MC 17? Is is different from the annulus pattern circa 1922 as posted above, or are they the same badge?