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Old 05-05-16, 08:22 AM
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Nozzer

Thank you for that. I have been unable to find a photo of the OTC to date it for sure but your confimation is proof. I have moved the w/m one into my CCF album and will update my K&K corrections.

I appreciate your help.

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Old 05-05-16, 05:35 PM
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Not sure if this will help you or confuse matters Alan, but see attached pics, looks like both badges being worn along with Aldenham School OTC titles, not the best quality but I have cropped a couple for you, I'm not much good at dating uniforms but the Lt Col is wearing his ribbons which look like WW1 & coronation 1911, let me know if you want more,
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Old 05-05-16, 05:42 PM
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Those are the smaller scrolless badge. the w/m ones are almost twice the size. The offrs have Bronze ones whilst the cadets have polished brass I think.
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Old 27-06-16, 06:56 PM
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Here is a Wrekin lion for comparison.

In 1942 the Belgian Government in exile in London agreed that it was necessary, once Belgium would be liberated, to rebuild a nucleus of a new Army, well trained, ready for battle and the eventual occupation of Germany. When the first elements of the 2nd Infantry Brigade arrived in Northern Ireland for training from January 1945 on, a shortage of Belgian rampant lions for the beret occured. A British headgear bdage was found, the lower part (scroll?) was cut off , and the remaining lion was worn as the "Belgian Lion" on the beret. Possibly this was also done with the collar badges.

I think this was the badge they turned in to a Belgian cap badge.
This is the Wellington Salop badge which was replaced by the same lion but Wrekin badge in the 1920s. The single lion in K&K is a livery badge.

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Old 23-08-16, 11:34 AM
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Default West Somerset County School OTC

West Somerset County School OTC became Wellington School Somerset OTC in 1914.

The School Cadet Corps can be seen here wearing SLI VB collar badges in their caps and the officers are wearing full sized Bx SLI cap bagdes:

The Wellington badge has that title on it so unless the school was operating with 2 names it is unlikley to be that one. There was a West Somerset County OTC Shoulder title.

http://www.oldwellingtonians.co.uk/f...aspx?S=kp8rg69

My assumption is that on the creation of the OTC in 1908 the Cadet Corps continued their association with the SLI and continued to wear SLI TF badges. I suspect this was initially still on side caps so collar badges would have continued to be worn.

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Old 08-02-17, 07:41 AM
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Manchester 'School Cap' badge but not the OTC badge.



Latter versions had it embroidered on
If a forum member is bidding on this lot then please compare the badge to Mike's photo.

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Old 24-03-17, 11:14 AM
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Default Wrekin College/ Wellington College Salop

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Here is a Wrekin lion for comparison.

In 1942 the Belgian Government in exile in London agreed that it was necessary, once Belgium would be liberated, to rebuild a nucleus of a new Army, well trained, ready for battle and the eventual occupation of Germany. When the first elements of the 2nd Infantry Brigade arrived in Northern Ireland for training from January 1945 on, a shortage of Belgian rampant lions for the beret occured. A British headgear bdage was found, the lower part (scroll?) was cut off , and the remaining lion was worn as the "Belgian Lion" on the beret. Possibly this was also done with the collar badges.

I think this was the badge they turned in to a Belgian cap badge.
This is the 1908 Wellington College badge which was worn until the school produced new badges with the Wrekin title after the school's renaming in 1921. EJ Martin records that this scrolled badge was in use in 1938.

I am afraid the third badge that Hugh King shows at best a locally adapted Free Belgian lion, or at worst a livery badge, as they were one and the same. It is not the Wrekin lion.

The foot has a flat edge from where the torse has been snipped off and the pointed tuft of chest mane is not found on Wrekin badges.
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Old 12-04-17, 08:56 AM
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I have 4 versions of the Hulme Grammar School badge.

The first is the all WM lions head (K&K 2576)

The second is the GM demi-lion and scrolls with H.G.S and Cadet Corps thereon (K&K 2577)

The 3rd is a GM demi-lion and scrolls as above but with H.G.S. and O.T.C. theron.

My 4th is just a Bz OSD badge of the second version

K& K also perpetuate the myth that this is in Oldham.
Just re-looking at this one. I have a theory (unsubstantiated) that K&K not only has the wrong school named but has the wrong sequence. I suspect that the order of use should be:

- Hulme Lion with cadet corps - worn from the cadet corps' founding in 1915.
- Then the OTC badge/s (K&K 2577) and the HGS/OTC version
- Then the single lion head (K&K 2576) - worn by the CCF

Thoughts?

Having gone through old copies of the School Magazine I have found an article in the 1938 edition that states that Hulme's Cadet Corps was elevated to OTC status in 1935.

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Old 13-04-17, 08:52 AM
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Default Plymouth College OTC

https://www.flickr.com/photos/plymou...ollege_alumni/

Plymouth College OTC between the wars. The PofW black feathers are visible on some of the caps.

And in the war years: A photo of the OTC all clearly wearing the black feathers badge. Dated as Oct 1940.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/plymou...e/14324250928/
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Old 14-07-17, 10:45 AM
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Default Wilsons Grammar School CCF

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...B4&FORM=VRDGAR

Not the best picture but the gold shield shape is visible in this film from 1960.
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Windsor GS CCF

Hello Alan. This picture is early 1960s. Regards, Paul.
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Old 24-12-17, 02:27 PM
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Default K&K 2715 Windsor Grammar School CCF

Windsor Grammar School CCF wore the Royal Berkshire Chine Dragon as they had done as a cadet corps pre 1948. The identity of K&K's #2715 is unknown but it is not the school badge so is likely to be a livery or town badge rather than the GS,
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My cousin is unsure of the ST in use in his day. He thought Windsor CCF. I can make out Windsor then a letter that could be C or perhaps G. Title might be long enough for GS CCF. School has changed its name slightly over the years so badges might not match period of school name. In my memory its always been Windsor Boys School. Regards, Paul.
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Old 06-01-18, 05:56 PM
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This is the badge in question. It was sealed in 1955 for the Monmouthshire TA in gilding metal. By the time the School adopted the dragon cap badge in the 1960s, a/a would have been the norm. However there is no certainty whether the school wore g/m, a/a or both. They now wear cloth.
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Hi Alan,

This badge as been previously covered on the forum , the badge was worn by the 2nd Mon in 1954 brass and A/A from 1965 . The Monmouth school were granted permission to wear the badge from 1968. So they would have only worn the A/A version unless they had a private purchased and bought a brass one.
The school also had blue and yellow Beret badge introduced in the 80's.
The school changed to Green and Yellow with the change to the Royal Welsh.
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