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#1
15-04-21, 03:17 PM
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Northumberland Fusiliers or ???
Hello,
Can anyone ID these two badges please. Thinking NF, certainly for the circlet, which has been brooched and probably had loops either side. They are not my collecting theme so will be available when identified. thanks in advance
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#3
15-04-21, 04:29 PM
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Very nice badges. Whilst I do not know them, the right must have a NF connection and surely would be Victorian.
CB
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15-04-21, 10:48 PM
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Simon.
As Mike has stated, the The White metal example is probably associated with an antecedent unit of The 9th London, thought to be 1st or 6th Middlesex Rifle Volunteers. I have 2 similar badges, one the same as yours, however lugged E/W and the other, a slightly different pattern, lugged N/S. The central device/pattern on a 6th Middlesex RV other ranks helmet plate, 1881-1892, is in essence the same as your item, albeit with a few minor differences. Your pattern is mentioned in Churchill, item 1483, he doesn't believe they were worn as collar badges, being a bit too large, but doesn't offer another option for being worn. Regards Brian
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#6
15-04-21, 10:56 PM
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hi Simon
the white metal badge could also be Australian, St.Georges English Riffles circa 1903-12 from memory. if i had it and i have a few of them thats what i would be calling it. i am sure it was used by other regiments in the UK. cheers bc
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#7
15-04-21, 11:08 PM
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#8
15-04-21, 11:11 PM
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I believe a WM badge exactly like that has been previously identified on here as St George English Rifles (New South Wales) centre. However, I’ve seen one such plate with the centre in situ and the floral pattern on the grass was different, so this attribution may be in doubt.
I have also seen these sold as 6th Middlesex (St. George’s) Rifle Volunteer Corps items. Also perhaps worth mentioning officers of the 1st Middlesex (Victoria’s) Rifle Volunteer Corps wore a similar design collar. An identical GM badge was sold on the Quartermaster Store described as ‘Northumberland Fusiliers Officers Grenade Device converted into a Sweetheart Brooch’, item Code: 61210. Edit: I hadn’t seen posts #5 - 7 when I started typing... that’ll teach me to post whilst watching Star Trek!
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16-04-21, 08:38 AM
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Thats all very interesting and thank you all for your research and time and effort. Probably leaning to a British badge having regard to the context of its acquisition which was with a bag of solely British Badges, many Welsh.
regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
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16-04-21, 08:59 AM
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I have the St.George & Dragon as a 6th Middlesex worn on the pork pie with a largish Victorian crown worn seperately above. I'm sure there a photo in one of Ray Westlake's Vols books.
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#12
02-06-21, 07:17 AM
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I thought I would include a few pictures of my item 61210 (now sold) against its associated officer's full dress grenade badge. The badge was fixed to the grenade with three thin pins and the position of the pins is clear on both the example above and 61210 and align with the position of the pins on the grenade. Please note the grenade is not for sale.
Cheers Mike (The Quartermaster) www.qmsmilitaria.com Last edited by The Quartermaster; 02-06-21 at 07:22 AM.
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