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Old 01-02-19, 02:45 PM
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If there is only a small difference in size between the 2 badges I suspect a lot of people are checking what they already have!!
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Old 01-02-19, 02:52 PM
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Cool Sussex Yeomanry A/A

If I remember correctly a dealer called J. Hankin who lived in South London was selling these for 5/- each back in the sixties and early seventies, where are they now . . !

(That's 25p each by today's prices)

Rob
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Old 01-02-19, 06:08 PM
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If I remember correctly a dealer called J. Hankin who lived in South London was selling these for 5/- each back in the sixties and early seventies, where are they now . . !

(That's 25p each by today's prices)

Rob
John R. Hankin,
84 The Green,
Morden,
Surrey

Never mind the badges, I wonder where John is now?

Dave.
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Old 01-02-19, 06:57 PM
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If there is only a small difference in size between the 2 badges I suspect a lot of people are checking what they already have!!
5mm in height Alan,if you have them side by side you can clearly see the size difference.
Ive had a very close look at them both and the only difference besides the size is the position of the join between the two scrolls at the end.
Whereas if you compare the Essex Yeo cap and beret or the LSH theres a huge difference that you would notice immediately.
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Old 01-02-19, 07:38 PM
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So have you got both Mike ?
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Old 01-02-19, 08:01 PM
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Chris, many thanks for your reply on the Surrey Yeomanry, what is the size of the beret badge?

Rob
Hi Rob,

It is:

31.30 x 42.30mm
weight 4.60g.

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Old 01-02-19, 08:03 PM
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I blame the publication of an authoritative book on a/a badges that has reinvigorated interest in staybrite badges.
The cheque is in the post...

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Old 01-02-19, 08:16 PM
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Hi Guys,

Point on this badge which was raised via a PM to me. Both crown types have pattern No.s which implies that some badges were made in A/A for sample and then used in pattern cards.

However, beware that some A/A pattern cards were in fact previously issued GM/WM cards 'promoted' for A/A use.

Therefore, either this (these) badges could have come from a pattern card and never batch manufactured which makes them very rare or, an initial batch was in fact manufactured but due to small difference in size have not been really noticed yet by the collecting community.

Recomment we all check what we have...

Pattern No. for KC is: 14832
Pattern No. for QC is: 17611

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Old 01-02-19, 08:45 PM
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From IWM

1. badge, card, seal badge: within the Garter surmounted by a king's crown the cypher of Queen Mary; below a scroll inscribed Queen Mary's Regiment Surrey Yeomanry; badge in white metal, slider in gilding metal card: Inspectorate of Clothing Ministry of Supply Pattern No. 15068 Spec. No. UK/CIC/208B Cat. No. CB 2853 Standard (Working deleted) Pattern; inscribed, Badges, Cap Surrey Yeomanry - Small - WM (To guide for Anodised Aluminium Cat No CB 3300); approved by DOS 9-6-1952; authority given as ENC 44 to 54/Officers/4051 (ORD 17) IC/C/1197; signed CA Bird; stamped 11 JUL 1952 at base seal: the shield of the Arms of the Board of Ordnance encircled Chief Inspector

2. badge, card, seal badge: within the Garter surmounted by a king's crown the cypher of Queen Mary; below a scroll inscribed Queen Mary's Regiment Surrey Yeomanry; badge in white metal, slider in gilding metal card: Inspectorate of Clothing Ministry of Supply Pattern No. 14832 Spec. No. UK/CIC/208B Cat. No. CB 2875 Pattern; inscribed, Badges, Cap Surrey Yeomanry (Large WM) To guide for Anodised Aluminium Spec UK/CIC/2124 Cat No CB 3299; approved by D of OS 15-1-1952; authority given as ENC 44 to 54/Offrs/4051 (ORD 17) IC/C/1197; signed CA Bird; stamped 5 FEB 1952 at base seal: the shield of the Arms of the Board of Ordnance encircled Chief Inspector
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Old 01-02-19, 08:54 PM
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So the question is why 2 sizes? One for beret (small) worn in the beret. One (large) for the peaked cap - generally not worn by ORs in the 1950s so the only large ones are from s/p cards and not universal issue would explain the rarity.
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So have you got both Mike ?
No Alan i dont. I never knew the larger existed until a few months ago. I know of one other ,which i presume is still in the possession of the owner .
It was one of two know yeomanry badges in a/a that i didnt have,the other being the large Pembroke Yeomanry badge.
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Old 01-02-19, 09:25 PM
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There was one on ebay last month.
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Old 01-02-19, 09:30 PM
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There was one on ebay last month.
One of what Alan ,a Pembroke Yeomanry cap badge or the beret badge ?
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Old 01-02-19, 09:32 PM
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So the question is why 2 sizes? One for beret (small) worn in the beret. One (large) for the peaked cap - generally not worn by ORs in the 1950s so the only large ones are from s/p cards and not universal issue would explain the rarity.
Dunno Alan but the KC A/A large version was actually listed in the List of Changes (LoC) together with a WM version under the same change for Surrey Yeomanry (298 Field Regt., R.A.) as an INTRODUCTION. This all dated 30th April 1952 under change C 4946. A/A version was CB (early NSN) No. 3299 and WM No. 2875.

These KC badges are also referenced under under the following LoC changes:

C 5161 - Surrey Yeomanry, small, INTRODUCTION (dated in 31st Oct 1952 - again, in the KC era)

C 8798 - 298 Field Regt., R.A. Surrey Yeomanry, NEW PATTERN of the St. Edwards Crown piece dated 31st Oct 1958 making the KC badges obsolete. The change went on to say that the larger St. Edwards badge was CB 8066 and the smaller CB 8067)



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Old 01-02-19, 09:34 PM
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One of what Alan ,a Pembroke Yeomanry cap badge or the beret badge ?
Large Surrey Yeomanry cap badge,
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