Glider Pilot Regt cap badge???

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by AAC_GPR

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news J-F but as has been noted elsewhere - ALL of these die-struck, AAC badges with sliders (both marked and unmarked) are reproductions.

The "wear" has been added in an effort to give the badge some "age".

Cheers,

Kev C

Hello Luc and Kev C,
Very glad to have learnt from you, I am always keen to get knowledgeable persons opinions. Thanks. Jean-Francois.

[Luc]

Here's an example of a nickel plated para cap badge. It has weird lugs, I'll try to get a good close up of those.

[Luc]

Lugs are stamped from sheet metal, rather than the common bent wire.

[Luc]

Here's a family picture of my AAC/glider pilot cap badges. They cover all known original varieties, except the bullion example.

[Luc]

Here´s an AAC cap badge that I was not familiar with until I spotted it on ebay. It is cast wm and it has 3 lugs just like the stirling silver officers cap badge though made of brass.
It´s from a different mould than the silver one if you study the crown closely. And different from the common die struck which has solid lettering. I´m confident that it is original so we can add yet another pattern to this already large family of badges.

[stuart]

Originally Posted by Luc

Here's a family picture of my AAC/glider pilot cap badges. They cover all known original varieties, except the bullion example.

You have some very nice AAC cap badges Luc. Here is my plastic AAC cap badge, also a AAC with slider which are fakes ?
Regards, Stuart

[Mike Jackson]

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Originally Posted by fougasse1940

I cannot post the picture due to copyright restrictions. But, if you can get hold of 25th July 2007 Bosleys postal auction catalog, item 201 - there is
a picture of an AAC bullion badge on a maroon background. Regardless
of where you got the info from, this is a silver wire on maroon version.
What can I say.......
I do not have the prices realised, but, I can imagine it wasn't cheap.....
david

Hammer price was £561 (and according to the paper label on the back it cost £0.875 at the time it was made)

Mike

[Frank Kelley]

Gentlemen,
Even as a small boy I was able to find a great deal of evidence of plated AAC badges, like this one for example, which has not been buried!

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Hi Luc,
You have to remember that:
gilding metal (86,7% Copper, 13,3% Zinc),
brass (67% Copper and 33% Zinc) and
white-metal (64,5% Copper, 16,5% Zinc, 19,0% Nickel) Are all metalurgically relatively similar.
Whatever chemical processes happen to them when buried could explain why dug-up badges might end up looking like being plated.
There is to my knowledge no evidence for the existence of plated AAC badges, other than silver-plated officers badges.
Neither is stamping from sheet brass, plating and then lugs soldering a common production method.
I wonder even if solder for the lugs or slider will hold on plating. Probably on nickel but on chrome?

Rgds,
fougasse1940.

[tommy t bag]

heres my badge guys.t bag

[Arnhemjim]

Gentlemen, with all due respect, I am totally confused based upon the discussion within this thread. There is a genuine WWII Glider Pilot Regiment O.R. badge (aka Army Air Corps) presented in one of the previous replies. The badge has a slider, not lugs. See attached images on blue background.

A while back this was what I was told r.e. authenticity of WWII Glider Pilot O.R. badges.
“Quite some time ago I submitted images of a "genuine" WWII vintage badge of the Glider Pilot Regiment for comment. It was 23 February 2013 (http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=30333) I was immediately and summarily advised that because it had a slider vice lugs that it was at best a restrike, if not counterfeit, in polite, somewhat sympathetic, but emphatic terms. All be as it may, I was given the badge by a close friend with a letter. The letter states in part that “It is a genuine wartime one, not a later re-strike”. In as much as he retired from the British Army as a major, having served in the Glider Pilot Regiment in the latter stages of WWII, even if it isn’t righteous, with that kind of provenance I value it quite highly, as if it were. Conclusion; there are obviously badges out there that can even fool former serving officers of a given regiment, and in certain circumstances are every bit as valuable (non-monetarily) as the real thing. "Trust but verify". The badge given to me by the retired major of the regiment, who served in WWII, is on the right in the first image (obverse view) on maroon background.
Arnhem Jim”

Could someone possibly please clarify this subject, so I am no longer confused.
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Jim,
Like Luc, I have never seen an example of a wartime AAC on a slider, that I would be happy with, but, wartime made AAC badges, even those early nickel plated ones are not rare and there really is no need to buy a copy.
Kind regards Frank

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by Arnhemjim

Gentlemen, with all due respect, I am totally confused based upon the discussion within this thread. There is a genuine WWII Glider Pilot Regiment O.R. badge (aka Army Air Corps) presented in one of the previous replies. The badge has a slider, not lugs. See attached images on blue background.
Could someone possibly please clarify this subject, so I am no longer confused.
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory

I wouldn't be happy with any of the slidered ones you show, the all have the laurel leaf over the left wing which is not considered to be a sign of a good one.

Rgds, Thomas.

[170gunner]

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007.jpgIn my opinion the only white metal one that can be relied on as authentic is the version with the cast fault around the eagles head as this is not to be found on restrikes.

[Frank Kelley]

That would take the stress out of buying an AAC badge for many people on here!

Originally Posted by 170gunner

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Attachment 88110In my opinion the only white metal one that can be relied on as authentic is the version with the cast fault around the eagles head as this is not to be found on restrikes.

[170gunner]

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While we are on the subject, any opinions on this one from the 50,s. I have never seen a cast one before.