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Old 05-06-16, 01:25 PM
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Default Second phase Isle of Man Home Guard badge

I have been after an example of this much repro-ed badge for some time. I like this example because it appears to have an old repair refixing the slider with rather a lot of braze and it also looks as if the back of the badge may have been filed flat for whatever reason.

Comments good or bad appreciated.

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Old 15-05-19, 08:34 PM
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Does anyone have any views on this one? As per Peterís comments itís been re-struck to death so chances are itís a repro. Yet unlike the repros it has a rather nice slider and very dark looking braze - similar to P.B.ís badge on a long slider.
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Old 16-05-19, 01:22 PM
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Who can say? Restrike badges from the 1960s now have 50 years of ageing to them, making it even harder to tell originals.

Just like the restrike Rutland Home Guard, Upper Thames Patrol, Huntingdonshire Home Guard, Radnor Home Guard and Derbyshire Volunteer Regiment of Home Guards badges, they've been restriked so many times now, unless you can have some provenance with the badge, such as with a load of paperwork or acquire it from a relative/non-militaria source, it's almost pointless buying it.

Also, sellers don't even bother anymore trying to hide the fact they're selling restrike versions, often listing those five badges in a row. Last year, there was even an ebay listing for a secondhand restrike tool kit for knocking out the Radnor HG badges.
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Old 16-05-19, 02:16 PM
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I was on the Facebook badge group the other day and the term ' Rounded font ' was being used/advocated as a way to tell if modern badges are pukka.
I only mention this as both badges above seem to have rounded off lettering, especially the first one.
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Old 16-05-19, 07:49 PM
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Who can say? Restrike badges from the 1960s now have 50 years of ageing to them, making it even harder to tell originals.

Just like the restrike Rutland Home Guard, Upper Thames Patrol, Huntingdonshire Home Guard, Radnor Home Guard and Derbyshire Volunteer Regiment of Home Guards badges, they've been restriked so many times now, unless you can have some provenance with the badge, such as with a load of paperwork or acquire it from a relative/non-militaria source, it's almost pointless buying it.

Also, sellers don't even bother anymore trying to hide the fact they're selling restrike versions, often listing those five badges in a row. Last year, there was even an ebay listing for a secondhand restrike tool kit for knocking out the Radnor HG badges.
A Ďblobbyí die flaw has developed on QC IOM badges on the ĎCí of QUOCUNQUE whereby it now looks a little bit like a G. However clearly restrikes abounded long before this. I suspect the only way to tell with this badge and QC Radnor is provenance.

However, which bring me on to your points I disagree with, there are ways I believe in some cases to tell re-strikes apart.

Firstly however, the UTP hasnít been restruck from the original die - it has been faked but these badges are from a fake die which has significant differences. Also the Rutland HG badge hasnít been re-struck IMO. Originals show die flaws around the R of Rutland and they also have a tiny little curl in the seeding at the tip of one end of the horseshoe. These badges are quite different from the ToysRUs style lettering on the common eBay fakes which turn up - often in WM.

Re the Huntingdonshire the Gaunt die appears to have been used for a significant amount of time (and is still in use). The early badges come with an almost die cast reverse to the scroll whereas the later ones are more die stamped. The slider and mark as well can assist, the small J.R.Gaunt London mark identical to that found on WW2 cavalry I think is a good sign. Any marked Bíham or London in big letters are obviously re-strikes. The attachment point of the slider too, on earlier badges (presumably Hunts cyclists) the slider is attached behind the stags head whereas on later ones the attachment point is behind the body.

As for the guelphic crown Radnor HG Iím at a loss as to if theyíve been re-struck from the original die. Theyíre not often seen but when they are so far every badge has matched the examples shown in K&K and Gaylor. So they either donít fake these or they are restrikes. As for QC again itís anyones guess, I saw Geoff Newman has one listed at a crazy price, it looks an excellent strike with fantastic reverse detail but that doesnít always equate to originality sadly, it could just means someone was using a heavier fly press.
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Old 16-05-19, 07:53 PM
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I was on the Facebook badge group the other day and the term ' Rounded font ' was being used/advocated as a way to tell if modern badges are pukka.
I only mention this as both badges above seem to have rounded off lettering, especially the first one.
Thanks, thatís interesting. Do you have a link? Would like to have a read if possible.
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Old 17-05-19, 12:07 PM
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Don't know how to link anything, but it's a term being used by the collector's on there.
It's a Facebook group to weed out fakes only, there is no forum as such, members post photos and other collector's give their view.
Andy plewa used the term this morning on a badge, but as I say it's something I've never heard before.
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Old 17-05-19, 12:30 PM
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Don't know how to link anything, but it's a term being used by the collector's on there.
It's a Facebook group to weed out fakes only, there is no forum as such, members post photos and other collector's give their view.
Andy plewa used the term this morning on a badge, but as I say it's something I've never heard before.
Which Facebook group is that?
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Old 17-05-19, 02:12 PM
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British Army Forage/Service cap badge collector's.
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Old 20-05-19, 12:25 PM
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Where does this one stand on the blobby C / rounded font issues please?
A good one or a duffer?
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