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Old 15-09-22, 05:58 PM
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Default Fake HLI TF for reference

Fake HLI TF for reference. These are quite well made and could easily deceive.
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Old 15-09-22, 06:30 PM
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It would be helpful to explain what marks this out as a fake.

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Old 15-09-22, 06:44 PM
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The die is a fake one. If I see any one that matches that badge then I know it's fake.

I do have a blank scroll one myself and the South Africa title on the scroll has been erased.

I would be interested to see any similar badges that members have in their collections.

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Old 15-09-22, 08:24 PM
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I would be interested on thoughts on this one please.

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Old 15-09-22, 08:28 PM
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That one I really like. The ghost lettering of the SA honour is visible.

I have always wondered in Gaylor got his attribution right about these badges when he linked them to the 1908-18 TF battalions.
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I would have to agree with Alan's assessment regarding these Pig and Whistle Light Infantry badges. I too have the same badge as posted by Peter with the erased scroll on a tatty piece of Glen backing, and this is the only type that I would feel comfortable with at this point. Note the very different details of the strike on these badges versus the fake in post one.

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PS, as an aside, I have a friend who owns one of these long scrolls that was worn by his uncle in WW2! Although patterns changed, obsolescent badges of all kinds somehow managed to be worn long after the fact.
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Old 16-09-22, 12:59 PM
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Thanks for the fake TF reference.

As requested here is another with a fully hobbed scroll. This time the original lettering has been obliterated without any ghosting.

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Old 16-09-22, 07:45 PM
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Could I have opinions on this badge please.

It could well be the same strike as post 6 above but has no trace of lettering on the scroll. The scroll itself is well seeded and there is some damage between the scroll and the bugle from the use of a damaged die. My main concern relates to the lugs which seem to be rather thin. This perhaps shows best on picture 2.

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I'm still unsure about the situation with these blank scroll badges. Is the line of thought that blank scroll HLI badges are only genuine if South Africa scroll conversions, and that they were never made as blank scroll types. Be great if someone could post good and bad in one post for easy comparison. Regards, Paul.
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I have these two:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=116704

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=80002
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Old 31-12-22, 11:03 PM
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I have always found the HLI to be remarkable in the sheer number of it's badge variations
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This seems to be the one that most of the type that are hobbed
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It also seems to be the basis for this

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