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Old 14-09-22, 02:49 PM
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Default Help on these wings please

I bought this as part of a lot the rest turned out to be modern fakes so i am not holding out any hope on this one, however this was the only wing that showed some age to it. I tried the burn test on a bit of loose thread and it did burn to ash. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 14-09-22, 05:19 PM
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The problem with Indian para wings is that of course they were made in the region, but when is the question. They might be genuine post war Indian wings, but I personally do not like them, I think someone has tried too hard to copy original wings. There are a few things about them that do not match period examples I have seen in the hand or in books, though there are a lot of variants as they are all hand made, and I can only have seen a sample of those out there.
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Old 15-09-22, 07:11 AM
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Many thanks for confirming my suspicions Jerry. I had a look over some of the old threads on here and did notice that these wings although close vary slightly from original examples.
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Old 15-09-22, 07:46 AM
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I would agree with Jerry, a copy of an original wing. There is a huge amount of variation, but the quality of the manufacture and the detail is always outstanding unlike we see here.
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Old 15-09-22, 12:16 PM
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I wouldn't be too quick to class this wing as a dud as it has some nice age to it and the construction is very similiar to attributed originals. Good idea posting it on the forum as you'll get a variety of opinions.

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Old 16-09-22, 07:33 AM
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Many thanks Luc and Paul for your comments. I will keep the wing out of the ''fakes'' box for now and i will try and take some better pictures today in sunlight as the ones provided aren't that great. I also noticed that there is old glue residue on the back of the wing where it must have been on a display board at one point. Not that this means anything but i thought it was worth a mention.

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Old 17-09-22, 07:05 AM
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Some pictures of the wings in sunlight, for some reason the blue thread is a lot darker in these pictures and it isn't a very good representation of what they look like in hand. The first pictures are a better reference to what the colour of the blue thread looks like in hand.
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Stuart, looking at the pictures I think you have an original wing. The glue residue on the back is most likely from the backing cloth that would have covered the rear of the wing. A metal backing plate and pin would then be sewed to this for attachment to a uniform.

Lookinh through Oliver Lock's book you can see similiar constructed wings.

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Old 19-09-22, 07:34 AM
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Stuart, looking at the pictures I think you have an original wing. The glue residue on the back is most likely from the backing cloth that would have covered the rear of the wing. A metal backing plate and pin would then be sewed to this for attachment to a uniform.

Lookinh through Oliver Lock's book you can see similiar constructed wings.

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Many thanks for your help Paul, I add the wing to my originals as i have been looking for one of these for a while.

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