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Old 15-08-22, 06:02 PM
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Default Royal Artillery Officer´s sabretache plate

Hello gentlemen,

i want to share the pics of this item with you, i bought it from a collector as a "helmet plate". I have had doubts about the screwposts on the reverse, no lugs, and a fellow collector friend confirmed that it is plate for an undress or "foul weather" sabretache.
From the reverse, it is realy ugly, the screwposts are cut down, except the two on top which have a ring to hang it up for display, and there is a lot of black "patina", may be shoecream from the leather (patent-leather) of the sabretache.

Otherwise i like the obverse , i guess it is fire-gild and so an officer´s item.
Interesting is the gun, a very small version with "spare wheel", and the small gun is separately soldered / brazed in between UBIQUE and the lower scroll.
The ramrod of the gun does not reach up to the UBIQUE scroll, there is a milimeter space between, and a piece of thread was used to make the conection.

For me a nice and collectable item, now in my small RA-drawer.
I guess this "construction" with the separate gun, was used for a multi-purpose-badge. The maker could use the single gun for other purposes, and also the plate could be used for other corps & departments, Engineers, Medicals ....

Any comments and opinions are welcome,
thanks for sharing
and kind regards
Markus
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Old 15-08-22, 06:46 PM
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Markus,

I can confirm it is a genuine Victorian Officers undress sabretache badge of the RA.

As you say the black stuff is the remnants of congealed leather off the sabretache, a common feature on these and undress pouch badges.

I cant comment on the length of the screw posts without a sideways photograph.

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Old 15-08-22, 07:07 PM
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Thanks for your opinion Simon ,
I'll post a photo tomorrow showing the cut off bolts. Would you also classify it as a gilded badge for officers?

Thanks again and kind regards
Markus
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Old 15-08-22, 07:43 PM
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Yes it’s definitely gilded. You can see the ‘tide mark’ where the gilt hasn’t fully covered the back which is a common feature on all manner of officers plates.
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Old 16-08-22, 04:44 AM
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Thanks Luke,
that is what i thought regarding the polished and unpolished areas on the obverse.
And here a view on the screwposts, all, except the two on top, complete grinded down.
So it can not be used as a spare part for a sabretache, only for display in the drawer or a frame.
But i like it, especialy the "small gun".

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