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Old 17-01-19, 02:39 PM
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Default Identifying Fake and restrike OTC badges

With the multitude of restrikes and fakes it is a mammoth task to spot all of the copies. However in the case of OTCs they are far fewer so easier to list.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:41 PM
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Default Uppingham OTC

Uppingham OTC is from the same fake owl-eyed tiger seen on other Leicester fakes.

This comes in brass, bronze and bi-metal all from the same fake die.

The CCF still wear a similar badge in bronze.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:42 PM
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The fake die of the Leicestershire 'laughing clown faced' fake die.

Same die again.
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File Type: jpg Laughing Clown Grantham.jpg (90.2 KB, 50 views)

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Old 17-01-19, 02:43 PM
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Default Gresham OTC

The 'Mr Punch' fake die of the Norfolks.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:44 PM
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Default Edinburgh UOTC (TA)

A true restrike. The only way to spot it is by the fittings.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:45 PM
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Default Stonyhurst OTC

Still being produced from what appears to be an original die. Made in white metal and also unvoided.

The CCF wear this badge in chrome.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:48 PM
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https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=44450

This thread shows the modern CCF badges that are occasionally passed off as pre-1940 Junior Division OTC badges.
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Old 17-01-19, 07:13 PM
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Default Fake Queens Lambs

One of the dodgy sheep with large lips.

Also seen on other Queen's Regt affiliated cadet OTCs such as Charterhouse and Reigate.
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Old 20-01-19, 04:24 PM
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From the same restrikers as Stonyhurst, a Perse badge in w/m. As a 'Rifles' unit the school OTC wore Blackened brass and later brass badges.
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Old 07-02-19, 03:11 PM
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Mill Hill OTC badges seem to being produced in gilt. The CCF wear RRF badges and these new badges are not worn by the CCF but are reproductions.

I spoke to the current Mill Hill CCF contingent commander and he believes that this badge was worn in a/a up to 1974. Prior to that it was worn in brass. After that they wore RRF badges which they retain to this day.

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Old 21-02-19, 06:29 PM
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2nd pattern Queens collar badges have had fake scrolls added to for Cranleigh and Charterhouse OTC and CCF.

The schools wore blackened and bronzed badges respectively.

Charterhouse wore full sized cap badges and smaller collars - both with scroll. it was recorded that in 1938 Cranleigh wore collar sized cap badges with the scroll below.

All GM badges are not right for either school.

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The fake die of the Leicestershire 'laughing clown faced' fake die.
Before this one wings itís way back to whence it came here are some snaps of a different and slightly better fake Louth OTC to be aware of.

This one looks more like Mr Punch than a clown.
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Old 10-05-19, 02:58 PM
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These Cranleigh badges are sold by SRS who sell repros. The design is modern as the scroll design is incorrect. The square ends are an east tell-tale that its a fake.



https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...x=1&ajaxhist=0
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The utterly wrong typeface on the scrolls is another sign; too big, rounded ends, etc etc
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