Few Unknowns From Thames Mud!

[A140_Artefacts]

Hi All...

Have a few more unidentified that I've acquired in a lot of buttons from a Thames mud lark!

#1 I'm guessing is a c1800 Dragoons button as it looks very similar to the 1st Dragoon Guards buttons I often get hold off but I've not seen one before like it so not 100% on it. Royal Dragoons perhaps?

#2 I believe is possibly a shipping line button or something similar but not sure as I can't find this design online.

#3 Haven't a clue! Guess the initials stand for something but don't know what?

#4 Possibly just a decorative button but thought I'd check as it could be militia or something similar.

#5 I'm assuming this is a militia or volunteer button but any help on what unit would be appreciated. Appears to be an H within an eight pointed star.

As always I'm grateful of any help received and these will be for sale at some point soon.

Thanks all,

Phil

[Cribyn]

Hello Phil

I would assume number 1 is the Royal Dragoons as offhand I cant' think of another 'R D'! However, it is nothing like those described in Parkyn's book but then there are so many new patterns being discovered all the time!

4 and 5 could be Militia but again, so many new types are being discovered. I will check my books and get back to you.

That's the only ones I can comment on at the moment, sorry, Not much help really!

Roger

[Phil2M]

3 could be London Fire Brigade

[altcar73]

MFB = Metropolitan Fire Brigade.

Dave.

[Phil2M]

Looking at the alphabet in old script, it actually looks more like DFB.

[A140_Artefacts]

Picture of the backs if it helps identify them....

[A140_Artefacts]

I think fire brigade might be a good call for #3 I'll have a look through kellybadge to see what I can find. That RD button has me stumped too Roger, looked through all my books/online and I've found nothing. I thought it would be an easy one but it seems not!

[A140_Artefacts]

Don't think it's LFB as these buttons show;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-GENUIN...p2047675.l2557

[Chacal]

3 looks like NFB to me.

[Phil2M]

If it is NFB, could it be an old pattern used by the National Fire Brigades Union?

[btns]

1. a similar R.D. button is listed in Mrs. Squire's book (page 11 No. 22). The letters are at the level of the crown's band.
She states ca. 1840. Royal Dragoons

2. A London button: East India Docks

3. I have never seen this N.F.B. button

[davidwyke]

I think the first button was worn by 1st (Royal) Dragoons over a fairly long period of time - c. early 1800's - 1840's. That particular example is probably a fairly early one.

The last two might have a military connection but I would be more inclined to think fashion/dress.

David

[GTB]

Could the last button perhaps pertain to an early unrecorded officers' Hussar button? Does appear military.

GTB

[A140_Artefacts]

Thanks everyone. 1st Royal Dragoons makes sense for the first one so I'll go with that, I'll try to get a name off the back to help date it but as David said I'm thinking it's an early one.

btns is the East India Docks button something unusual as I can't find one online? I may be looking in the wrong place but I can't find one on Google?

Phil

[REMEVMBEA1]

Originally Posted by Phil2M

Looking at the alphabet in old script, it actually looks more like DFB.

I'd go with DFB , it could be one of the insurance companies who ran fire brigades before the LFB was formed.