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Old 09-04-19, 06:57 PM
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Default Comments please of ebay listing of 1st SAS and para wing

A very nice looking lot just sold on eBay consisting of a pair of 1st. SAS titles and an older Para wing style for $936 US. As a newbie, I'm still trying to figure out what is legitimate and what to look for on these pieces. I wasn't sure about the black, vacuum backing over the course white cheesecloth backing but the fronts of the SAS titles certainly look good. Lots of bidders. Were these pieces good? Any hints on what to look for in the future? Any examples of the backs of other 1st or 2nd SAS titles that one can expect to see? Thanks in advance for ensuing discussion.

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Old 09-04-19, 07:48 PM
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Thanks in advance for ensuing discussion.

Not going to be much of that without a link or photos?

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Old 09-04-19, 07:55 PM
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I assumed folks would follow this sort of thing but good idea Simon, here's the link and eBay item number:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...orig_cvip=true

eBay item number: 264271895299

Not sure about image copyright so best to go to the source.
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Old 09-04-19, 08:02 PM
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look original to me.

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Old 09-04-19, 09:01 PM
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The SAS Titles are definitely fake.
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7 - 21 days delivery!
Seller obviously doesn’t like to be hurried.
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Old 09-04-19, 09:14 PM
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Titles were sold on eBay a while back.
The shiny new white cheesecloth the biggest giveaway.I have handled similar (or probably the same pair) about two years ago and others who know better than me confirmed they were fake.

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Old 10-04-19, 04:56 AM
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The wings were post ww2 pimped up with backing to look like ww2 and titles fake. JB
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Titles were sold on eBay a while back.
The shiny new white cheesecloth the biggest giveaway.I have handled similar (or probably the same pair) about two years ago and others who know better than me confirmed they were fake.

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look original to me.

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And thats why I dont have any!!!!
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Old 10-04-19, 07:42 AM
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My hint would be don't buy SF items off ebay. They are so likely to be fake. Collect something else. as it's far more rewarding and you will not risk so much money.
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Old 10-04-19, 11:56 AM
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My hint would be don't buy SF items off ebay. They are so likely to be fake. Collect something else. as it's far more rewarding and you will not risk so much money.
That's an odd statement to make.
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Old 10-04-19, 12:43 PM
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Not really. SF is the most highly and professionally faked that commands the highest prices and therefore the most risk. I would not advise any one to start collecting it without significant research and certainly not on ebay.
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I am with Alan on this one. I would not like to be a new collector today - well over 50 years collecting, decades of research, lots of advice over the years from great collectors such as Len Whittaker, a great network of current contacts and still exercising caution with British / Inter-Allied Commando, Airborne and SF. This forum helps greatly, being the best of its kind I have found - but as any experienced collector/researcher would say - is probably not foolproof.
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Not really. SF is the most highly and professionally faked that commands the highest prices and therefore the most risk. I would not advise any one to start collecting it without significant research and certainly not on ebay.

Seconded - a minefield on eBay from what I can see, some fakes obvious even with my lack of knowledge and experience with such insignia.
I leave well alone - this stuff's for the experts.
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Old 10-04-19, 06:52 PM
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Thirded.

Every week we see threads highlighting these badges on eBay which attract dozens of bids and sell for hundreds or thousands of pounds - and these are the so-called ‘obvious’ fakes that all the experts agree on.

Sad facts are there are dozens perhaps hundreds of collectors who must be under the impression they own a fantastic SF item when the truth is they’ve wasted hundreds or more!

As Alan says no doubt SF items have been faked from rather early on and the fakers go to significant efforts to deceive.
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