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Does this one look too polished Andy
Ha, i like that it looks quite good.
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One of the things that would give me a good insight into the early Firmin motto is seeing an Officers HMd Silver motto by Firmin for the period 1900-40. I have an image of a 1946...... but to date seen nothing earlier.
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I have just sold this to a forum member for £40.00.I offered him the badge as I am giving up collecting.I had the badge repaired so know full well it is made of brass.He claims he has cleaned it and it is white metal worth £20.00.I am speechless
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There is no argument here.... I can buy these old Firmin (unmarked) white metals on ebay for around £20..... from dealers you will pay more.

This badge was sold as brass.... its clearly not. Here is the Motto as received.... and again after a "brief" clean.

** What was the repair?
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Still looks brass to me, just a bit shinier?


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Still looks brass to me, just a bit shinier?


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I have yellow curtains next to me ..... but its clean white metal. Happy enough that its an original Firmin. I have had this before with an eBay purchase..... it was AlanO that pointed out that it was probably a very dirty white metal (see below) and he was right. All I have highlighted to Monty is.... the reason why I clean my badges....."Patina" or "Filth" can mask the truth.

* Have not asked for my money back.
* I am happy enough with the badge as it is...... just another into the large collection of Mottoes

Furthermore .. Monty got the badge to me next day & postage was included
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here it is (a little more clean) between some LB&BCo Mottoes.... what do you think? The Brass LB&BCo's are factory blanks that have not been nickel plated.

Its is a pre 1946 old Firmin.... thats for sure. I think the best thing to do is give it a thorough clean.... then let it settle for a few months amongst its peers and then see how it looks...

I will also take some detail macro images of the back of the Motto ..... that has not been cleaned thoroughly yet. Am I guilty of over cleaning it (if you can) so you cant see the brass?
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Monty.... I dont know why you have got the wrong end of the stick on this one? What was the repair on the Motto?
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hi guys, i have a couple of mottos in my collection, i was always told and believe that the winking left eye was a certain sign of a fake, was this info wrong.
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hi guys, i have a couple of mottos in my collection, i was always told and believe that the winking left eye was a certain sign of a fake, was this info wrong.
No. Fake below.
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here it is (a little more clean) between some LB&BCo Mottoes.... what do you think? The Brass LB&BCo's are factory blanks that have not been nickel plated.

Its is a pre 1946 old Firmin.... thats for sure. I think the best thing to do is give it a thorough clean.... then let it settle for a few months amongst its peers and then see how it looks...

I will also take some detail macro images of the back of the Motto ..... that has not been cleaned thoroughly yet. Am I guilty of over cleaning it (if you can) so you cant see the brass?
Definitely white metal.
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No..... I have had younger eyes look at it and its a very pale yellow..... my old eyes and todays light got it wrong. But it is pale..... hence "my" mistake. Its a hard one to see when its very clean compared to other brass badges when cleaned. I will post up another pic when its had time on the board..... it should mellow and darken a bit.

Try and spot it amongst other pre 1946 old Firmins.... its not easy (below)
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