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Old 10-10-11, 11:43 PM
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This one now, is it early variant from pre 1900 period or the one what was on use during WW1?

I have not been able to find any official documentation for this title (nor do I know anyone else who has) and thus I speculate that it is a regimental design and not an official War Office issue. Several of the Fusilier regiments has regimenatl pattern badges which incorporated a grenade into a one piece badge.

All I know is what Westlake states in his book that it was worn on KD Jackets c 1910 and that it is illustrated as a :shoulder badge for rank & file" in "Crown & Company 2nd Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers 1911 - 1922. So both of this sources suggest post 1910 for this title.

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Old 10-10-11, 11:51 PM
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Next, like I had been advised it is an officer collar badge. Is it true that because tiger is top of the elephant, its belonged to the officer from 1st Battalion (previous 102nd (Royal Madras) Fusiliers)? Which type of uniform this type of insigna was used and what period?

How often battalions insignia varied regarding who is on top - tiger or elephant. I presume different badges were in use mainly before 1914 when there was only 2 battalions. After Service battalions were called up, I think most of the insignia was more standardised and made bigger quantities?

Also was any inisgnia in use to make a difference of battalions during the war?

(guys, sorry my mistakes, English is not my first language).

Yes this is an officers pattern collar badge, it looks a bit dirty. What are the materials of construction? is it silver and gilt? If so it would have been worn on the undress coat from about C. 1900 - 1922.


If bronze then it is a later pattern officers service dress collar. Taken into use sometime after 1904 and worn till disbandment.


It is not true that the two regular battalions had different animals on the top. All of the insignia had the tiger on top with the exception of the O/R full dress collar badges. I know of no reason why these collar badges had the elephant on top.

It is generally the exception rather than the rule that individual battalions of a regiment had unique cap badges.
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This might be of interest. A partial collection of the regiments insignia (almost all officers items) taken from "Crown & Company" published 1923 and now out of copyright.
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Old 11-10-11, 09:43 PM
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Hi John,

Thank you again for your time and help!

Actually I am familiar with the book "Crown & Company". It was one of the first publications what I bought when I start looking RDF items.

Meantime I haven't seen any another good sources. Is this Maguire's booklet regarding RDF insignia available to buy or as a copy somewhere as well?

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Old 11-10-11, 10:36 PM
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This might be of interest. A partial collection of the regiments insignia (almost all officers items) taken from "Crown & Company" published 1923 and now out of copyright.
I too am so interested in all this information John, as you will not be surprised to know. Thank you for posting. Here are some RDF badges and images to add to the others here.
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Old 13-10-11, 07:07 PM
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Thank you guys for your help again and Toby, thanks for sharing these amazing shots!

Here is my today's arrivals.

First same regimental shoulder badge.... now I have a pair! What you guys suggest, should I clean upper badge and if its ok, how? Usually medals I keep like they are. I presume same law applies with the metal insignia or not?

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Old 13-10-11, 07:32 PM
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Yes this is an officers pattern collar badge, it looks a bit dirty. What are the materials of construction? is it silver and gilt? If so it would have been worn on the undress coat from about C. 1900 - 1922.


If bronze then it is a later pattern officers service dress collar. Taken into use sometime after 1904 and worn till disbandment.


It is not true that the two regular battalions had different animals on the top. All of the insignia had the tiger on top with the exception of the O/R full dress collar badges. I know of no reason why these collar badges had the elephant on top.

It is generally the exception rather than the rule that individual battalions of a regiment had unique cap badges.
Thanks again.

Today I received full set - left and right side badge. Unfrtunately looks like left side badge is slightly different size then others, so for a display, I have to get the right one.

They are all made out from bronze.




Left size badge has as well interesting tag inside - as a seller on ebay stated, its from the Gaunt Pattern Book Archive Collection and was sold at a recent auction by respected Militaria Specialists and Auctioneers Dix, Noonan and Webb.

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Old 14-10-11, 12:36 AM
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Hi John,

Thank you again for your time and help!

Actually I am familiar with the book "Crown & Company". It was one of the first publications what I bought when I start looking RDF items.

Meantime I haven't seen any another good sources. Is this Maguire's booklet regarding RDF insignia available to buy or as a copy somewhere as well?

Kind Regards,

Timo
Timo & Toby

I have copies of both booklets (the production quality of the second is quite poor), they are very useful but you will get better info if you search the threads here. They were privately published in the 1990's in very limited numbers and I do not know if they ever come up for sale.

I am traveling quite afar at the moment as soon as I get home I shall see what I can do to give you the info you request.

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Old 17-10-11, 07:02 PM
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Hi all,

Today's finds...

Based on the book "Crown and Company 1911-1922" badges and buttons page, I presume it's full dress tunic collar grenade.

Maybe someone can advise me regarding the period when it was in use and was it for enlisted men, officer's collar tab or bouth.



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Now, like I understand from the previous posts, this is a post 1910 regimental level made, Officer's shoulder title?



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Now, like I understand from the previous posts, this is a post 1910 regimental level made, Officer's shoulder title?



Yes I believe so, if you look at the left shoulder in the photo of the moustachioed officer that I posted above, you will see that he is wearing one. It really is worth examining each of those photos, that is why I posted them.
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Old 18-10-11, 06:12 AM
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Hi all,

Today's finds...

Based on the book "Crown and Company 1911-1922" badges and buttons page, I presume it's full dress tunic collar grenade.

Maybe someone can advise me regarding the period when it was in use and was it for enlisted men, officer's collar tab or bouth.



An officers full dress collar badge worn from 1881 to disbandment.

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Old 18-10-11, 06:19 AM
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Now, like I understand from the previous posts, this is a post 1910 regimental level made, Officer's shoulder title?



Yes this is an officers shoulder title, part of a facing pair. However it is not necessarily post 1910. It is far more difficult to date officers items from official records than it is for other ranks. This particular pattern could date from the early 1900s to 1922.
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Yes this is an officers shoulder title, part of a facing pair. However it is not necessarily post 1910. It is far more difficult to date officers items from official records than it is for other ranks. This particular pattern could date from the early 1900s to 1922.
It was interesting to see that in both photos of officers in SD during WW1 only one of them is wearing the shoulder titles and yet they are both in the same form of dress.
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My today's pick up

I don't know is it even appropriate place and forum to post it but my main question is - from what period that crest would be and is it possible to date that (match?)box this way?


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