 |
Recent Books by Forum Members |
 |
|
|
|
|||||||
 |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
18-07-17, 11:55 AM
|
|||
|
|||
Help ID a waist belt clasp, Defence Not Defiance
Does anyone know for sure who this clasp was for.
The outer ring bears the title "DEFENCE NOT DEFIANCE", which seems to be a popular motto of the rifle volunteers based on the poem by Martin Farquhar Tupper "Defence Not Defiance (A Rifle Song)". If I assume the 1 in the centre to be an order of precedence then it suggests Devonshire. But I assume it could be a battalion/company or corps number? I know most Scottish units prefered "IN DEFENCE", but a few did use "DEFENCE NOT DEFIANCE", but the centre doesn't really suggest Scottish to me. 
|
|
#2
18-07-17, 12:56 PM
|
||||
|
||||
Buckle
How about London Scottish?
Rob
|
|
#3
18-07-17, 01:06 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Sorry I cannot help but I did notice that motto on the front of the old Patricroft Drill Hall in a photo the other day.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4184291 P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
|
|
#4
18-07-17, 01:10 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Hello,
"DEFENCE NOT DEFIANCE" was one of several mottos adopted by the newly formed RVC's in 1859 -1860 period and cannot be attributed to one particular unit. Unfortunately being the 1st means it could be any of the counties in England, Scotland or Wales and was probably a generic item bought by many units. None the less a lovely WBC. regards
__________________
Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
|
|
#5
18-07-17, 01:11 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
I had the opportunity to look around the Patricroft Drill Hall some years ago, but I believe it has now been replaced by houses!! regards
__________________
Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
|
|
#6
18-07-17, 02:46 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Simon,
A sign of the times, like a great many of the units that used to occupy them, there are not many of the original Drill Halls still standing. Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” Last edited by Peter Brydon; 18-07-17 at 03:35 PM.
|
|
#7
18-07-17, 05:33 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
 |
Linear Mode
