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#16
13-02-19, 11:26 AM
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Here is a FIRMIN packet with an interesting NSN
Tim
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#17
13-02-19, 11:33 AM
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Further examples. Here are FIRMIN manufactured current issue cap badges that are maker marked <>FIRMIN<> which I understand may mean made in China? So perhaps 'overruns' released to the collectors market?
Tim
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#18
13-02-19, 11:37 AM
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Standard FIRMIN named packets containing current issue cap badges and the more recent (after 2012) 'anonymous' packets without the FIRMIN name current issue cap badges with full NSN.
Tim
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#19
13-02-19, 11:40 AM
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Other manufacturers packaging:
TOYE KENNING & SPENCER Light Dragoons in 'new metals' KCLY Sharpshooters and RAMC in anodised aluminium. Tim
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#20
13-02-19, 12:28 PM
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Maybe its for reference due to a price difference. They probably get away with charging more to one or the other customer. Are the barcodes the same on each type of packet?
Maybe its so that the authorities can see that the stock is not stolen from stores.
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#21
13-02-19, 12:36 PM
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A selection of current issue collar badges in different packaging by different makers.
Tim
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#22
13-02-19, 05:30 PM
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What Tim is referring to is the LARGE amount of CURRENT British military cap badges, collars, cloth rank & trade badges, slip on shoulder titles, lanyards & braid etc, that are frequently available generally at militaria fairs and outlets. They are often found in bulk and in the original marked packaging complete (often boxes full). These are commonly found in conjunction with boxes of other officially issued kit - i.e. it isn't made 'for the collectors market'. We discussed this briefly at Chatham on Sunday last.
Packaged/bagged badges of disbanded regiments are of course frequently seen and easily obtained in general, but how should it be so with current regimental insignia - with Firmin bags sometimes dated within months of manufacture? Is the MoD procurement and disposal mechanism that dysfunctional? Actually, quite probably, with the amounts that are seen, they cannot have ALL been spirited out the back door of various barrack 'Q stores' across the country. With regard to the 'square' clear Firmin bags they actually present with 4 heading types:- 1. FIRMIN & SONS PLC 2. FIRMIN & SONS plc 3. FIRMIN & SONS LTD 4. - BLANK- I have many of these bagged badges - predominantly anodised badges going back some years - early Firmin anodised badges of course being wrapped in white tissue bound with narrow gauge clear tape (now we are really getting into the weeds I know) A quick review of my collection found that the BLANK - i.e. no Firmin header - bags were all post 2012. This may be significant. Also the anodised badges within these blank badges were not maker marked. MoD security issues? Possibly, but the Toye Kenning & Spencer badges do seem to appear still maker marked - although their bags are not dated. Incidentally thus far, I found I have only one where the pattern number is printed where the NSN number usually is, on an Army Air Corps anodised cap badge (Firmin square clear bag dated 17/8/11, marked FIRMIN & SONS LTD) which was marked with the diamonds either side of the Firmin mark on the slider. The changes in font, names and badge markings must surely be indicative of something within either the company or MoD procurement directions. My thoughts only chaps Last edited by bess55; 13-02-19 at 06:12 PM.
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#23
13-02-19, 07:06 PM
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No pattern no. but a Contract No. of 50881 and date of 29/05/07. Did Emma Daly, back in 2007, request a batch of Royal Mercian and Lancashire Yeomanry cap badges via contract 50881 from Firmin? Regards, Chris
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#24
13-02-19, 07:08 PM
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Might get an interesting but probably no reply. Regards, Chris
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13-02-19, 07:10 PM
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The spec changed in 2012 to ensure that neither packaging nor badges were to be maker marked. Regards, Chris
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13-02-19, 07:12 PM
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Regards, Chris
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#27
13-02-19, 07:14 PM
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She's Arfur Daly's daughter - they fell off the back of a lorry.
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13-02-19, 07:20 PM
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If my memory is working correctly Emma Daly was part of the badge Procurement (sealing etc.) team.
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards.
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#29
13-02-19, 07:20 PM
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#30
14-02-19, 12:00 AM
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I know where they come from, as does anyone who has ever been to places like Field Textiles. The question, I guess which was originally posted, is how they get released for disposal from the MoD, when they are currently issued and worn insignia.
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