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Help ID Tam o'shanter
Hello
Anyone able to ID this Tam? The patch looks to be Hidden Grey which is was used by the London Scottish, but badge is that of the Seaforth Highlanders...the London Scottish had a distinctly different badge, if this is the case. Hat came as pictured.... |
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I think that the London Scottish would have a blue toorie (maybe not by the time this TOS was in wear) though they lllook favourite for this.
The Seaforth's badge doesn't look right at all, being set too high on the backing. |
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Always interested in buying cap badges to the Middlesex Regt-Hertfordshire Regt-The Rifle Brigade |
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I agree,
The hat came as pictured with a collection of many other hats. I,too, don't believe the Seaforth badge belongs.... |
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What does the writing on the liner of the cap say? I can make out the word Salt.
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I would ask if there are any other marks on the TOS to indicate if it has had another badge attached to it at any time.
My gut instinct would be a mis-match. That said I am aware of unusual combinations being in existence. Did the Seaforths ever provide Permanent Staff Instructors to the London Scottish which could be an outside possibility and explanation? By way of example, I was told the story of a CO of Glasgow and Strathclyde UOTC who a few years ago ordered all of his permanent staff to wear their capbadges on the TOS as that was the headdress of the unit. |
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I think you are correct, On the inside of the beret where the patch is sewn, there appear to be multiple holes where previous badge(s) must have been, but on the outside only the two holes... After removing the Seaforth Highlander badge there was no "ghosting" or difference in color which would indicate it had been there for some time...as that isn't the case, I suspect the original London Scottish badge was removed at some point and replaced by the SH badge for some reason.... Am I correct in assuming the patch is that of the London Scottish? |
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SAND......fades ....AE or MAN, with a crows foot war dep stamp below SAND....not sure if that represents the maker, but the ink is same as the crows foot |
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This pattern of ToS with the quilted liner was introduced either just before or at the start of WW2 and continued into the 1950's, might have been a bit latter with TA units. Certainly they were surplus items by the 1960, when a cheaper version was being worn. Prior to WW2 the WW1 pattern was worn, which had a 2 inch split at the bach which was fastened with a tie, which was formed into a bow. By WW2 the bow was just for decoration. You might be able to date it's manufacture by the Makers stamp. A lot were made by a Glasgow company called something like Grieg, I will dig out my examples later and check the details. But a number of other companies also made them.
I will also dig out a book I have about London Scottish uniforms and see what it says about the toorie colour, however it is probable during the war they would wear whatever they could get especially if there was a shortage of blue toories. |
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Found my book quicker than I thought, its called The uniforms of the london Scottish, 1859-1959, by J.O.Robson. Page 54 states "1937 The blue tourie on the Tam o' Shanter was replaced by a khaki tourie." It also mentions that a hodden grey rosette was used instead of blue.
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