NZPTC

[irish]

Here are my Post and Telegraph pieces. 2 collars both having the JR Gaunt London plates. While these are a pair I do not beleive they started as a matched set, the wear is not the same to my eye. The shoulder title is also Gaunt made. The title has the dreaded Gaunt with a period before London, however mine is only 10mm-11mm as opposed to 15mm which is supposed to be the kiss of death. So for now the title stays in my good graces.
Best Jack

[Tinto]

Hi Jack,
Badges look good to me, just need a hat badge to complete the set.
Cheers, Tinto

[irish]

I hear you Tinto, a cap badge would do the trick. Thanks for looking in.

Best
Jack

[atillathenunns]

I have never seen a New Zealand shoulder title with the dot between Gaunt and London, but then again I do not have a NZP&T shoulder title.
So I am just wondering if anyone else has a Gaunt marked NZP&T shoulder title?

[irish]

Just to clarify, maybe this already known, Gaunt maker marks with a period between Gaunt and London in British badges are viewed cautiously. This questionable mark measures 15mm in length. There is a Gaunt mark with the period at 11mm which is considered OK. I am not sure if the spurious mark @ 15mm is known to appear on N.Z. badges?

Again the mark on the NZPTC title I posted measures 11mm.

Best
jack

[Tinto]

Hi Brent and Jack,
I have a Gaunt marked NZP&T shoulder title with a dot between GAUNT and LONDON. It has the same hex lugs as Jack's one.
Cheers, Tinto

[irish]

Thanks Tinto, yours looks to be a match right down to the location of the lugs on the reverse. When first viewing mine the lug placement looked off a bit, not on what I would have called a straight line.

Best
Jack

[atillathenunns]

Now this is interesting, so interesting I got all my shoulder titles out and had a close look.
In all I had 9 different NZ shoulder titles with Gaunt markings, showing three more variations to the J.R.Gaunt.London mark.-
J.R.GauntLondon (straight line) most common.
J.R.Gaunt London (straight line) 2nd most common.
J.R.GauntLondon (curved) NZNC title only.

Just wondering if anyone has a Gaunt marked NZP&T shoulder title without the dot, or even just an unmarked one, which may help create a time line dating these badges?

Also wondering if there are any other variations of Gaunt shoulder title stampings?

[Tinto]

Hi Brent,
I had a look at my NZ titles and cannot add to what you have found, apart from two curved "NEWZEALAND" titles, one of which has "GAUNT LONDON" which could be a mis-strike and the other which has "JRGAUNT LONDON" (curved like a rainbow) stamped on the E. This could also be a mis-strike.
Cheers, Tinto

[atillathenunns]

Tinto, I’m thinking it could well be worth starting a database thread to collect information on makers marks which are found on New Zealand badges and buttons, just imagine what we could learn if everybody else shared their small pieces of the puzzle.

[Tinto]

That's a good idea, Brent.

There would be several examples in the New Zealand Badges section on this forum but I will look through my collection as well. It may take some time.

What parameters would you require?
For example:
Oldham Ref. No., name of badge, description of badge (hat, collar, shoulder title, button), transcription of maker's mark, period mark used if established, close-up picture of mark.

Cheers, Tinto

[atillathenunns]

Tinto, I'm thinking we start a "Post your makers mark" thread, and once we have enough information, we then separate them into possibly alphabetical order going by maker, and then section them into "hat, collar, shoulder title, button" categories.
Although given the amount of Gaunt made badges, we may have to give them their own thread, sectioned into "hat, collar, shoulder title, and button" categories.