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25-02-09, 03:15 PM
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New Zealand sleeve badge.?????
An interesting shot of New Zealanders in the desert,probably early war-time, showing a soldier(the one in the middle) with a sleeve badge of some sort. Can someone identify?From Life Magazine files.
Jo http://images.google.com/hosted/life...1c4573d5031d7f
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25-02-09, 07:40 PM
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The distinguishing patches shown in the photograph are the first series of patches worn by 2NZEF from 1939 for a year or two. (They went to the Middle East - Egypt and later Syria and Italy. A few went to England). The system consists of of a large square in the colour of the corps with a shape superimposed to depict the company in khaki, and above that the 2 NZEF patch also in the corps colour. Full details of all the NZ Cloth insignia (distinguishing patches) can be found in New Zealand Army Distinguishing Patches 1911 to 1990 by Thomas and Lord. There are two volumes. I am at work so hopefully some one else can have a look in the book and tell you what the man is wearing. With the advent of 2 NZ Div the large square was discontinued but the smaller shape above was retained. Some of them changed and others added. The large basic shape only was also used, without the company shape superimposed, by 1, 4 and 5 Division (home divisions in NZ). Also 3 NZEF IP (later 3 Div) had a series of patches based on the old WW1 ones used in France. The Tank Bde had a series of small patches with a small tank superimposed. Its quite a complex subject and if you are interested you need to see the book. FYI NZ WW2 patches are some of the hardest ones to find from all of the empire in WW2. No idea why but they just dont turn up very often.
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25-02-09, 08:00 PM
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The tank patches are impossible to get.
A couple pair in my Album...... http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...hp?albumid=211 Quote:
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25-02-09, 08:06 PM
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Thank you Gentlemen for the information. My main interest is Canadian and British cap and cloth badges,I found it interesting to notice the NZ badge and show it to other members.
Jo
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25-02-09, 10:01 PM
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There are two patches listed in the book, which resembles the photos patch configuration.
However, I believe we can safely rule out one (Engineers) as the service colour is blue and this would normally show up as being black when viewed on a black and white photograph. The contender I believe that suits the patch in the photograph is- 4th Field Hygiene Section, NZ Medical Corps, 2NZEF. Kind of explains the photograph I think. Brent
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26-02-09, 01:27 AM
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N Z Sleeve Badges
Just joined but can throw some light on this. The big clue is in the bucket, RMT.
The sleeve badges are for the NZ Army Service Corps, the colour for them is white - the circle denotes that they are a divisional unit (at this stage known as the New Zealand Division - latter called the 2nd NZ Division) and the diamond shape indicated that it is the 4th Reserve Mechanical Transport Company. Photo would date from 1940.
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26-02-09, 06:20 AM
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Further to my earlier comments, I made a mistake in referring to 3 NZEF IP which should have been 2 NZEF IP for the units sent to the Pacific.
As regards the previous comments about the man being in 4th Hygine, I dont agree with this. Medical have Cherry as the base colour. The man has a single light colour and that would rule out Cherry. The two most probable colours are white for Army Service Corps or Yellow for Pay. My guess is that the man was in HQ Divisional Army Service Corps circa 1939-1940 (HQ Company). The headdress badge and collar badges should be the universal ONWARD badges worn by 2NZEF and later 2 Div. Cant see them on my screen. Perhaps someone else can see something I cant in this, but at this stage thats my thoughts. Rgds Cliff Lord [QUOTE=Voltigeur;33270]An interesting shot of New Zealanders in the desert,probably early war-time, showing a soldier(the one in the middle) with a sleeve badge of some sort. Can someone identify?From Life Magazine files. Jo
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26-02-09, 11:35 AM
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Hi Cliff, I admit the service colour does look very light in the photo.
The "HQ Divisional Army Service Corps" patch has a "star" unit shape, the photograph shows a "diamond" unit shape? Did the pay corps have a full circle formation patch? or did they use the Non-Div Pay patch? Cheers Brent
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26-02-09, 05:26 PM
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I thought it was a star shape, but could be a diamond. ASC diamond is for 4reserve MT coy but there is a segment taken out of the lower part of the top patch. The Base Pay had a segment taken out of the top patch too. Probable explanation is that the back patch was bleached in the sun and is of a totally different unit. FYI have never seen a pay patch as very rare.
Rgds Cliff The "HQ Divisional Army Service Corps" patch has a "star" unit shape, the photograph shows a "diamond" unit shape? Did the pay corps have a full circle formation patch? or did they use the Non-Div Pay patch? Cheers Brent[/QUOTE]
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