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[mule-73k]

Hi Guys,

Picked this one up over the weekend, any thoughts?

Regards,

Dave

[slick_mick]

Its a common Rising Sun badge and good.

Mick

[mule-73k]

Thanks for that Mick.

I have several of these, but this one stood out when I handled it, has that bronze finish feel to it. Seems to better stamped.

Regards,

Dave

[Donny B.]

Certainly a nice example!

It always seems to me that they are not quite so common with the void beneath the crown. Cossum does not picture an example of a voided badge until he gets to the "Australian Military Forces" marked post WW2 types.

Donny B.

[mule-73k]

Yea Donny I'm glad I did not pass it, and took the time to look. Ment to say that the long ray points have been bent to look like 'feet'? Had'nt seen that before on a badge! Do'nt know if that has any meaning or not?

Also the scrolls are quite ornate and have depth to them, they're like a wave with a high middle and lower sides.

Regards,

Dave

[Lancer 17]

G'day Dave

Thats a nice badge but cant say if its WW1 or 2.

Re voided badges both voided and non voided Rising Suns were used in WW1, see my recent post for Wig below on this subject.

Cheers

Phil.

[Donny B.]

Originally Posted by Lancer 17

Re voided badges both voided and non voided Rising Suns were used in WW1, see my recent post for Wig below on this subject.

Cheers

Phil.

I thought the "voided" discussion in Wig's thread was about the two holes that you sometimes see in the top of the crown and was initiated by Wig's comment, "With the crown on the badges....some have the two holes, and others the crown is solid like the rest of the badge." Among my own badges that sort of voiding runs about 50/50.

The voiding that I was refering to on Mule-78k's badge is the rectangular void below the crown between the two ends of the scroll. I do think badges voided in that manner are less common. Only one of the Rising Sun badges in badgecollector's album is voided below the crown in that way but it has tabs on the reverse (I expect it is the same one that is pictured again in the group in his post) and there is only one that I can see in that big box full of badges that he has pictured with his album. I don't particularly collect Rising Sun badges but I do gather them as they turn up. Though I have seen similarly voided badges, so far none have "turned up" for me.

I agree, Phil. I would not be sure how to date mule-73k's badge

Donny B.

[mule-73k]

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for the comments. I'm delighted that I picked the badge up and did'nt walk away from it. It's one of the nicest Rising Sun badges I've got.

Was it common for guys to bend the long rays so they look like feet?

Regards,

Dave

[GTB]

Hi guys,
I didn't appreciate the significance of the rectangular void beneath crown until I read Donny B's contribution. Would appreciate any comments on attached enamelled Rising Sun Instructional Corps CB (apologies for state of scan - the rect void has black shadow under it). Were this Corps' badges manufatured to this pattern?
Rgds, GTB

[Donny B.]

G'day GTB,

Do you have a picture of the back of the badge?

Donny B.

[GTB]

Hi Donny B,
I tried but scanner only gives a blurred image of back as lugs prevent badge from lying flat. The rear is the same black metal and so finely die-struck that design appears engraved. 2 copper loops E & W. Will try and get photo scans as hav other Rising Sun badges to query, but in meantime no harm in scanning fronts.
Regds, GTB

[GTB]

Hi
These cap & CBs were bought as a matched set many yrs ago from a defunct military tailor who had a stock of WW1 period Officers OSD badges. I believe the Australian material was meant for Gallipoli casualties convalescing in Malta. Again, unable to provide clear scan of backs but will try and give precise description. Cap badge has brass prongs, CBs copper loops.
First of all, there appears to be a colour anomaly as the cap badge looks darker than the CBs which are more of a honey bronze. SEcondly, the cap badge is not voided below the crown whereas the CBs are.
The backs of all 3 have a pinkish hue and all have a small rectangular 'J.R. GAUNT LONDON' tablet sweated at top centre just beneath rays. 2 of these have oxidised and this appears on face of one of the CBs.
What would the significance of the voiding be, considering that both items manufactured by same firm, presumably at same time?
Rgds, GTB

[badgecollector]

hi GTB
there is no significance to the voided area.
these are english made ww1 period badges.
i would like to see the backs as it is very unusual to see them with gaunt tabs
here is a voided gilt collar i believe privately purchased made by gaunt. these were worn on an officers uniform of the AFC. he also hed gaunt made sterling silver straight AUSTRALIA shoulder titles. sorry for the poor image, taken on a mobile phone
bc

[GTB]

Hi bc,
Got the lad to try and take a snap of backs, but result still leaves much to be desired I'm afraid.
As mentioned, 2 of the GAUNT plaques have oxidised (almost black appearance), I suppose due to galvanic corrosion caused by incompatibility of metals, or by the medium used to sweat the plaque to the badge.
GTB

[GTB]

Here's a bit better scan of back of one of the collars. The plaques on all 3 badges are identical.
GTB