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Old 03-02-08, 07:21 PM
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Default Regt'l Martingales

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Not my area of speciality, but lovely none the less.... i have 2 Bays and one Universal. Tell me..... Why does one of the Bays examples have QV cypher in the central shield and an Edwardian Crown? This, i was told on good authority, was done officially....
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Old 06-02-08, 09:17 AM
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Howard,
thanks for the look at these really great items ! Very Nice !
Always good to see the examples in other's collections. And also just what is 'out there' ?
As to the cypher......another puzzle in this interesting( & it would seem ,not too well researched ) field of collecting. I'm sure someone will have the answer though, but not me, I'm afraid.
BTW ,are these bridle bosses or martingale badges ?
Cheers !
Steve

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Old 11-02-08, 11:35 PM
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The universal is a bit boss the other 2 are Martingales.
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Old 22-02-08, 11:53 AM
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Another one,for the records.......... 1st Royal Dragoons..... Martingale device
Apologies for the bad background 'paint' job.
Cheers !
Steve
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Old 01-03-08, 11:09 PM
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Another,to keep the ball rolling here.
A General Officer's Victorian Boss. Most of the gilding has worn off here & again fixings removed.
2 piece,Die-cast.
Cheers !
Steve
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Old 02-03-08, 07:40 AM
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Hi all , I have a small reference guide on Military Horse furniture. Will post a scan asap . I will also post some pic's any request Hussars, lancers,dragoons
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Old 02-03-08, 08:03 AM
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Hi 3748H,
very happy to see you here !
Any info or pics(in any order)will be much appreciated, indeed !
Corrections to any previous assumptions,etc here, are most welcome also.

Cheers !
Steve
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Old 02-03-08, 08:04 AM
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If anyone with an interest in this subject is anywhere near Chester, I seem to remember they have a dummy horse on display at the Cheshire Regimental Museum with all the saddlery of the Cheshire Yeomanry i.e. bit bosses,bridle slides, martingale badges in brass with the regimental devices on them.

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Old 02-03-08, 01:58 PM
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Default British Bit bosses Basic (Cavarly)

Bit bosses are circular ornamental objects attached to each side of a bit on the vertical positioned metal cheeks.

Prints dated back as far as 1862 verify there use by the british Cavarly and are still used today by the Houshold

cavarly . The earliest Examples of regimental devices in the national army museum are dated around 1857.

The first crown used prior to 1901 is commonly known as the albert crown. This has no connection with the

Prince Consorts, as this pattrn of crown was seen before Prince Albert was born.It has been said that it was

introduced by Prince regent (George IV) and that he derived the idea from a conventional heraldic representation

used in one of the German Princedomes of that time 1811.

Universal patteren bosses with the VR chipher were used by the officers of the KDG,3rd DG,13th Hussars,

16th Lancers, 20th Hussars ( 13 th Hussars chipher differs slighty as it has a roped edge to the garter)

This was also used by all other ranks of the cavarly of the line. The remaining regtiments had there own design

which I will post later.

LEFT bit boss two fixings North South **RIGHT martingale Blades mounted on leather

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Old 03-03-08, 09:29 AM
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Default British Bit bosses Basic (Cavarly) Part 2

Universal Kc Pattern post 1901 , change in type of crown and the chipher.

Note from part 1 basic Bit bosses KDG (Reference from JT Thompson Auther of British Cavarly Bridle Bosses 1860-1914)

According to the Regt Museum (KDG )an Example of the KDG Universal pattern with the words around the Garter King'Dragoon Guards, Pattern unknown *Cardiff bloke any references on your recent visit ?

Note . 5th Royal Irish Lancers used the Universal pattern

Below Left Bit Boss Right Martingale


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Old 03-03-08, 05:22 PM
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Hi Tony
I am not very 'up' on these horsey things mate and i know i should be.... But i can tell you that what exists in the Regt'l museum as i type this, have no words "King's Dragoon Guards" on any of the horse brasses. Sadly some civvy punter stole the martingale from the dummy horse and rider we had in the foyer of the museum some years ago, it could have been the one that had the wording. I personally cannot believe that KDG being the Regiment they were did not have some sort of distingushing mark on their horse furniture, especially since the ear bosses and stirrup slides did. It simply does not follow logic. I know that The Bays had "The Queens Bays" on the garter strap as i have two examples. I would be interested to see a scan of that particular reference you quoted next time you mail me....

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Old 04-03-08, 02:20 PM
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Default Horse Guards Pt 1

From Left to right

1st Life Guards Bit Boss ,These bosses are oval in shape , With a Royal cypher and Garter Motto .Surmounted by a varient of the albert crown and lion.

They were cast as one peice .Two fixing studs north & south . Officer issue only .


Royal Horse Guards Martingale . A Brass with cut steel centre, same shape and make up as a Bit Boss.

makers name to the rear. Whippy & Co . Officer issue only

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Old 04-03-08, 08:00 PM
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Default Horse Guards Pt 2

From Left to Right

2nd life guards QVC,KC QC. These circular bit bosses date back pre 1901 .

Crown and lion within Peninsula over waterloo . Cast brass 2 fixings

North/south. These were 2nd Life guards officer issue and others ranks

for the 1st/2nd Guards & The royal horse Guards. The Qc version is still

in service . Beaware that the QVC /QC are quite similar in design.

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Old 23-03-08, 11:09 PM
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Dunbarton Vols.
Martingale ,Die-Cast.
Looks to be OK,but never sure with this sort of item.
Cheers !
Steve
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Old 21-04-08, 05:45 AM
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I am new to this site. A member of the BHSG has found the attached badge. It has been suggested that it is a a shoulder-belt badge for the Kings German Legion. I have suggested that it could be a Horse Breastplate badge. Any suggestions please?
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