"Extruded slider"

[Sonofacqms]

Could some kind member or members of the forum explain to this old collector exactly what "Extruded slider" means, as far as I'm concerned badges either had a "Slider" or vertical shanks as we are told by the records or loops (lugs) and blades for OSD'S

Merry Christmas Rob

[Alan O]

It's a made-up term that you will not find in any reference or primary source. Rather than have a flat face to the vertical shank it describes when there is a small vertical ridge.

Often used to convince potential buyers of 'authenticity'

[Frank Kelley]

I thought a "vertical shank" was a slider?
It is possible to encounter sliders that have been "extruded" from the sheet of metal rather than usual stamping, it is something I always associate with the Great War period.

Originally Posted by Sonofacqms

Could some kind member or members of the forum explain to this old collector exactly what "Extruded slider" means, as far as I'm concerned badges either had a "Slider" or vertical shanks as we are told by the records or loops (lugs) and blades for OSD'S

Merry Christmas Rob

[Frank Kelley]

I don't think, certainly from memory, at least, that I have ever seen a clearly spurious example, or one that I was unhappy with, do they exist?

Originally Posted by Alan O

Often used to convince potential buyers of 'authenticity'

[magpie]

An Extruded slider is actually a cut length of flat rolled brass bar, normal sliders are punched out of strip sheet brass.

[leigh kitchen]

Thanks button.

[Phil2M]

Originally Posted by magpie

An Extruded slider is actually a cut length of flat rolled brass bar, normal sliders are punched out of strip sheet brass.

That saved me typing, thanks mate.

[Luke H]

Interesting debate.

Would the sliders on these AAs also be classed as ‘extruded’? I’m going on the basis I’ve always regarded them as being curved on one edge but cut with a straight edge (of varying sharpness) on the other.

The fact these post 1970s AA’s have sliders with an uncanny resemblance makes me uncomfortable in so much as I wouldn’t buy a badge solely on the basis of it having an extruded slider.

There’s a Beds badge in this thread with an extruded slider that I wouldn’t buy https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=Extruded . Personally I’m not a fan of BM Bed’s badges without braze holes.

Is it a poor early circa 1970s fake/restrike or a genuine but poorly made WW1 issue badge without braze holes??? Badges from both stables lack quality and finesse but for very different reasons.

Undoubtedly there are a lot of genuine WW1 badges with such sliders but I feel it muddies the water somewhat in my opinion and a decision of authenticity should be made on other factors such as die, construction, patina etc etc. Having an extruded slider is not necessarily diagnostic I feel and does not count for much, if anything, in my own decision making.

All just my opinion and observations as of course.

[wardog]

Is there another word that describes the line effect? Can any evidence regards a badge being good or bad be concluded from a slider having a partially curved end or a raised line down its length? My interest being The Great War period. Regards, Paul.
Without checking two sliders sometimes like this are 7th Manchesters and some of the Household Cavalry.

[Marcus H]

This is, I believe, an “extruded” slider; I sold this badge a few months ago.

Edit- link removed, see post with illustration below.

And, could I ask: would some kind soul copy this picture and post it in this thread, please? I can only post images in my album, but not in the open forum discussion area - either my creeping old age or the phone?

Happy Christmas,

Marcus


@ Thank you, Paul, for your kind assistance, mate.

[wardog]

user52_pic162774_1545645620.jpg For Marcus. Regards, Paul.

[magpie]

Another method in making brass or aluminium would be drawn, the bar is pulled through a series of decreasing dies down to the desired sizes and again this could leave lines the length of the bar to differing degrees depending on the wear on the die etc just as the rolling wheels/rollers would, I think it should be remembered the the technology for producing bar would have been different to that which we probably use and take for granted today, not that they couldn't achieve the same quality but that it would be much cheaper to have rounded edges and score lines as less time effort and mirror finished rolling wheels and extra set ups and time in production for something that doesn't need it.

[Sonofacqms]

Having looked at Paul's (wardog) post I can see what an extruded slider looks like, not something I have ever looked for in the past.

What era would this badge have been produced?

Many thanks Rob

[wardog]

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[wardog]

Leicestershire TF and 7th Manchesters.
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