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Old 29-01-20, 08:15 PM
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Default 3rd Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers

Hi Forum members,
Opinions welcome on this badge please.
Measures 75mmX63mm approx.
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Tinto
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Old 30-01-20, 12:09 AM
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Greetings Tinto.

I do not offer any expertise on these particular badges, but I must confess I like this offering and in my opinion I believe it's a genuine item.

As always though, I stand to be corrected.

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Old 30-01-20, 05:19 AM
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Greetings Tinto.

I do not offer any expertise on these particular badges, but I must confess I like this offering and in my opinion I believe it's a genuine item.

As always though, I stand to be corrected.

Regards.

Brian
Hi Brian,
Thanks for your comments.
I wondered about the numeral "3" which is different from the usual flat-topped 3 seen on other 3rd Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers badges.
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John
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Old 30-01-20, 09:45 AM
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I think it’s a very good and genuine badge, with a crisp striking and compelling signs of natural ageing. The style of the numeral is typical of the earlier usage with the bulbous ends typical of numbers used on soldiers forage caps.
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Old 30-01-20, 04:08 PM
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I think it’s a very good and genuine badge, with a crisp striking and compelling signs of natural ageing. The style of the numeral is typical of the earlier usage with the bulbous ends typical of numbers used on soldiers forage caps.
Thank you very much, Toby.
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The detail of the lettering is superb, good picture too.
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The detail of the lettering is superb, good picture too.
Andy
Thanks, Andy. Here are comments from the Curator of the Cameronians Museum in Hamilton, Scotland:

"Many thanks for your enquiry. I thought this would be quite an easy question to answer but …no! The badge would date anything from 1870 – 1908.

The photograph is very clear, but the puzzling factor is the number ‘3’ On any badges we have, or have seen, the ‘3’ is formed with a flat top line. I did see a single example of a motif containing the curved ‘3’ but not in badge form. The surrounding shape is akin to the officer’s badge but there is no laurel leaf below.

So, to summarise, it may be genuine, but an example which is quite rare, or it may be faked. I would tend to believe the former.

Sorry not to be of much help. An idea I had was for you to contact a Ken Gibb of the Scottish Football Museum. His speciality is anything to do with the now defunct Third Lanark Football Club and its association with the Volunteers. I believe he has a collection of badges and may help. You will find a contact form on their website."

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Hi John,
Could you post a pic of the bases of the loops please?
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Could you post a pic of the bases of the loops please?
Cheers,
Luke
Hi Luke,
A couple of shots for you. No sign of feet on these lugs/loops.
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Hi John,
They’re old as the hills those loops. No way is that a fake. Definitely falls into the curators ‘example which is quite rare’ option I’d say. Nice badge well done.
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They’re old as the hills those loops. No way is that a fake. Definitely falls into the curators ‘example which is quite rare’ option I’d say. Nice badge well done.
Cheers,
Luke
Thanks for your confirmation, Luke.
I'm partial to these badges from Lanarkshire.
Cheers, John
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I reckon its original. IMHO.
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I reckon its original. IMHO.
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Thanks for the thumbs up, Andy.
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The rounded ends to the numbers is a French style that was popular in the British Army during the Napoleonic and Regency periods. The fashion appears to have changed to the flat top in the 1840s and then on into the 1850s.

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The rounded ends to the numbers is a French style that was popular in the British Army during the Napoleonic and Regency periods. The fashion appears to have changed to the flat top in the 1840s and then on into the 1850s.
Thanks for the information, Toby.
I note that in Kipling and King's Vol.1, that several "French-Pattern Shako: 1855-1861" plates have this rounded end "3".
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